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[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I want to use linux and will use it when two conditions are met:
-All my work software and the games I play the most all work on it (without requiring me to re-buy shit I already own to get a linux compatable version)
-Its user friendly enough that asking which version I should use as a beginner doesn't result in all the linux users immediately descending into the thread equivelent of a cartoon fight cloud with random limbs flailing around.

Edit: Some feedback on the feedback:
-Apparently some of the linux versions are super user friendly but advice about this is totally inconsistent, some of the advice doesn't even actually name a specific version or versions.
-"It all works fine you just need to install thing A through thing B and then use it to run thing C in order to run this one single program from windows" is not as encouraging as you think it is. The thought of potentially going through that for every piece of software is at least for me a big reason for not switching yet and I suspect for a lot of other people too.
-The reference page for what games work on linux is helpful though some things on it only work if you use the steam version which is the precise reason for my not wanting to re-buy things comment.

Edit: Additional question.
Is it mandatory to use the terminal for everything? Everytime I see people talk about linux or look stuff up about it the terminal seems to be everywhere. I'm somewhat familiar with the windows command line (which I assume is the terminals equivelent) but having to use that just to install software (as opposed to just running a .exe) seems really daunting.

[-] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Having an opinionated and somewhat socially inept userbase doesn't mean the OS isn't user-friendly.

There are many linux distros that focus on being user friendly and they really are.

[-] charliespider@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

somewhat socially inept userbase

I'm way more socially inept than just somewhat

[-] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I second that. The friendliness of the main help forum(s) for the distro is what's really the key, moreso than the software itself.

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[-] aes@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

man reading this was like seeing someone kidnap a mcdonald's employee and expecting the execs to pay ransom

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For the last bit, that shouldn't be a problem. It's like going to an ice cream shop and complaining there are too many flavors and people arguing over which flavor is best makes you decide to just not get ice cream.

What you should do instead is look at the flavors of ice cream and weigh what you want with what each flavor is. Only you know what you desire. Windows wants to make their system work for everyone, so then it works for no one because everyone has different wants and needs. It's the ice cream flavor of them shoving every ingredient together and it just creates a mess.

As for games, it's pretty good now. There's the issue of some multiplayer games not having updated their anti-cheat, but a lot of anti-cheat is ready. Easy anti-cheat, for example, is fine if the devs have updated it and implemented it. However, it's not like Proton where it makes most things work without devs doing any work. Check ProtonDB for compatibility.

What work software do you need? There are alternatives for MS Office, including online versions of MS Office that don't require an OS. Blender is great. There are plenty of code editors. Most of the alternatives are also FOSS so don't require buying anything, though donating is encouraged.

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[-] AlecSadler@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

For me it's...

  • Visual Studio Enterprise (VS Code with a hundred plugins still doesn't come close)
  • SQL Server Management Studio (though with extensions, Azure Data Studio has gotten me pretty damn close)
  • Full-featured Office 365 software (Edge web versions are somewhat sufficient, but not quite there)
  • Teams with multi-tenant. The desktop Windows app lets me quickly switch between the 6 orgs I need to, unfortunately on Linux I have to have 6 different browser profiles and use the web version which just doesn't fly.
  • More responsive RDP. Unfortunately for server management I'm juggling 3-4 RDP instances daily and I'm not typically allowed to install AnyDesk or VNC or anything. I've tried a couple RDP alternatives and there were just all sorts of problems from keyboard issues to rendering issues to general sluggishness.
  • There is one weird VPN program a job forces me to run and unfortunately it isn't available on Linux.

But! All the above said, I run Linux and have a Windows VM. And I also run Windows and have a Linux VM - so it's almost there for me. If work & clients all ditched Microsoft's ecosystem, it'd be a lot easier for me to but, unfortunately, they pay my bills.

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[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

What games do you play? If you're playing through steam, you can search protondb.com for your games to see how playable they are on Linux.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Is it mandatory to use the terminal for everything?

No. Most distros have a GUI that you can use to install stuff without touching the terminal, and most distros have a GUI for configuring your system (think Control Panel in Windows).

It's not necessary to use the terminal, but I do recommend eventually learning how to use the terminal, for a couple reasons:

  1. It's more ubiquitous - like you said, a lot of places online give terminal instructions, not GUI instructions for things, so knowing your way around the terminal is helpful in those situations. Plus, it makes things a little more distro-agnostic - if I'm trying to install some program, I know I can probably run apt install regardless of whether I'm running Mint, Ubuntu, PopOS, or any other Debian-based distro that uses the apt package manager.

  2. It's usually faster. Opening a terminal window and typing in a few dozen characters is usually going to take less time than digging through a couple layers of menus.

  3. It's more flexible. A lot of times, GUIs are just fronts for a terminal based application, and sometimes they only partially implement the features the terminal app exposes. By using the terminal app directly, you aren't limited by whatever options happen to be made available in the GUI.

Again though, it's not necessary to use the terminal. It's definitely helpful, especially if you want to do gaming, or if you're used to being a power user (which it seems like you are in Windows), but certainly not a requirement these days.

[-] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

On the second point: pick whatever you like, distros are surprisingly similar and differ in technical details you might not even care about.

Oh, and don't go for Gentoo. Gentoo is great and has its place, but person with a healthy brain won't run this on desktop.

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[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 31 points 10 months ago

A real Linux boi would rewrite the program from scratch custom tailored to his personal needs.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 30 points 10 months ago
[-] manofdiamond@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

I use gentoo, fyi

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[-] drcabbage@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago

How else am I supposed to run Bonzi Buddy?

[-] dan@upvote.au 5 points 10 months ago

It's a pretty simple Visual Basic 6 app so I'd be surprised if it didn't work using WINE.

[-] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Awww man I miss that purple lil asshole, I used to make him swear all the time when I was a kid.

Plus now I can't think of that Daisy, Daisy song without hearing his creepy little robotic voice.

[-] sirico@feddit.uk 17 points 10 months ago

Can't force em, let them live with their choices.

[-] KrokanteBamischijf@feddit.nl 17 points 10 months ago

The problem is mostly a lack of competition in specific fields. And the companies that own the monopoly in their respective niches make it so that any form of competition is either...

  • immediately acquired and killed
  • handicapped by market dependencies on pantented features
  • unable to generate business because customer processes are completely dependant on proprietary solutions

Most of these applications have codebases that are FUCKING ANCIENT. Let's take a look at Solidworks for example, which is the industry standard for Computer Aided Design for the manufacturing industry. Under the hood, it's still the same software from the 1990's. And there is no incentive for Dassault Systemes to rewrite the codebase.

Lots of these giant monopolistic software products have turned into frankenstein-esque monstrosities over the years. I often tell people they are built like backyard playhouses that have been expanded over the years by building an extra story on top, adding a swingset, adding a slide, extending the roof and attaching a rope ladder to the side.

All of this makes for more functionality, but they haven't really thought about the structural integrity of the original playhouse. In a direct parallel many of these programs have unmaintainable code that no one dares touch because "hey it works, and we need to keep it that way because if we break it we're no longer getting payed".

These companies unintentionally hold their businessmodel hostage by choosing profits over innovation and investment in an adaptable codebase.

Which is why it is near impossible for them to support technologies that are different from their original install base. And this is also why they have incentives to make sure they stay in the lead becuase they know damn well that open source movements that get some support and take flight are dangerous to their market share, and by extension their profits.

Blender is probably one of the best examples of what good open source software will do to an industry. The day someone develops a parametric CAD solution that's platform agnostic and based on open standards we'll see a lot of engineers ditch Windows for Linux.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And when KiCAD gains enough features to make it able to compete in the enterprise space.

Altium still just has a ton of features that people use every day.

Cloud libraries, multi-channel design, flexpcbs, some good high speed tools, output job files, better curved traces for RF (though kicad melting + teardrop is ahead of altium in my opinion, though more clunky).

I have hope for FreeCAD now that Ondsel is on board pushing the community/enterprise split that OnShape does. They are shooting for a 1.0 next year. Though I think it will take until 2.0 to get it professionally usable.

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[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago

I like running windows in a vm it's like having an animal in a cage you can poke with a stick. Not that I would do that. Hypothetically of course.

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[-] vpz@infosec.pub 16 points 10 months ago

I’ve run Linux for years on servers and in VMs in VMware Workstation, but not my main OS because of games. I’ve tried before but games just didn’t work well. Tried again recently and the games I’m playing now worked with no issues with Lutris and Steam. I could already do “everything else” on Linux so this is the longest I’ve gone without booting back to my Windows disk. Already have a Kali VM in virt-manager and will add a Windows VM if I hit an application snag. But so far haven’t had any app issues. If this continues I’ll be wiping the Windows disk to make more space for Linux.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

I only have windows for gaming because HDR isn't yet supported on Linux. The moment that Linux is supporting HDR, I am done with windows forever.

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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago

TFW you've never heard of a virtual machine

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 10 months ago

If only Virtualbox 7 didn't fuck up 3D acceleration.

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[-] pip1@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

But think of all the programs that don't even exist on Windows:)

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Personally 6570 days without windows, and counting.

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[-] Vyllenor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 10 months ago

I had to crawl back to windows cuz i couldn't find a way to run xtoys script, that would trigger a shock collar on being hit/killed in elden ring

[-] macaroni1556@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

But no joke the thing keeping me on my main pc is the niche simulator peripherals. All my games work great but not the extra software I need.

[-] boomzilla@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If it's RGB stuff OpenRGB is a revelation. For mouses try Piper which is great too. Both unify the configuration of a lot of different brands in professional grade FOSS applications. There's also the commandline app Headset-Control for which some small GUI frontends exists.

Know nothing about graphic tablets, trackballs or steering wheels but I heard from good experiences. When it comes to VR though...

[-] 5too@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

VR is my one use-case keeping me on Windows. Someday...

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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago

I'm currently learning FreeCAD so that the one machine I still have sitting around to run Fusion360 can be liberated from Windows at long last. And as a bonus I won't have to keep updating NoMachine every couple weeks.

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[-] kubica@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

I'm paying the tech debt of not switching sooner.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago

Just use a windows VM lol. Only problem I've encountered outside of that was a lockdown browser for school but I just put that on a burner laptop because there is no way I'm letting some rando have root access to my main pc

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[-] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 5 points 10 months ago

Just yesterday I updated an 8bitdo controller's firmware. I just keep a laptop with windows around for this sort of nonsense. And no, it's one of the older ones that do not work with the android app, not that using the app is any better.

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[-] opensourcedeeznuts@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

Most of the games I play don't run on Linux sadly. Even Lethal Company, which is perfectly fine on Linux, couldn't be captured by OBS, so I had to switch to Windows before I could stream.

Game compatibility is getting better but still not good

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[-] Octopus1348@thelemmy.club 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I have a pretty good streak without Windows, I use macOS and Linux, and everything I need is available. If not, I can use Wine, and it works. And Proton is just amazing, the number of games you can play with it without ONE SINGLE PROBLEM is just insane.

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