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Trump called Iowa evangelicals ‘so-called Christians’ and ‘pieces of shit’, book says
(www.theguardian.com)
Isn't that his base?
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So what? They already have one book they read all the time, you think they'll read any of this one?
They don't read the one book either.
They bought it and places it in a shelf in the bathroom.( I say bathroom cuz I can't imagine there are books any where else in a trump supporter's house)
There's the big one they put on display in the living room for guests to see how pious they are.
It's in a book. They'll never find out...
One thing Maga has distinguished is the difference between Christians and Maga Christians.
"What is a man profited if he gain the whole world, but lose his soul."
"A lot. He has profited a lot."
Lol.
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I've seen no difference, if someone says they're a christian, then they are
Most are Maga Christians. Well really we can drop the Christian part. They pretended to be christians, but they were Maga under the guise of christian.
They're also Christian. Everything they embrace can be found in the Bible in both Old Testament and New Testament.
Most Trump supporters would burst into hellfire if they ever actually touched a Bible
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they are not pretending to be christians, those are christians.
Look up supply side Jesus, look up how many christy denominations like SDA who supported and pushed for vaccinations, love not hate, support not bigotry. They’re all the same?
There is no such thing as “Christians” when it comes to blanket definitions and groupings. The world is far more complex than that, and so are christy religions.
Now, I can just feel the “no true Scotsman” counter coming. To be sure we’re on the same page:
The no true Scotsman fallacy is the attempt to defend a generalization by denying the validity of any counterexamples given. By changing the definition of who or what belongs to a group or category, the speaker can conveniently dismiss any example that proves the generalization doesn’t hold.
So given this, when we have these morons going on about things like this: https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak
multiple pastors had told him they would quote the Sermon on the Mount, specifically the part that says to “turn the other cheek,” when preaching. Someone would come up after the service and ask, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?”
“What was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,’ the response would not be, ‘I apologize.’ The response would be, ‘Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak,’” Moore said. “When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”
These people reject christ and his teachings, they aren’t just simply not living up to the ideals of Jesus, They OUTRIGHT REJECT CHRIST and the teachings of love/kindness/respect. Respect for the prostitutes, the diseased or disabled, the poor, etc., these things are the opposite of what these gelical hate-fucks believe and support.
And as Trump swings ever further right, it makes sense that people who believe he will solve their problems will follow blindly.
Once again, a significant departure from the teachings of Christ to the ramblings of an orange asshole. They’re trump cockian, not christian.
Most of these supply-siders treat their christy bs as nothing more than a brand name or tribal identity with very few actual beliefs attached. The name of their religion is just a verbal shorthand for whatever their peer group thinks is good, so if you're a hardcore propertarian and your tribal identity is "Christian", then boom, you have an interpretation of Jesus that that contradicts everything Jesus is supposed to represent.
But go ahead, tell us how they’re all the same.
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Doesn't matter. They'll still vote for him.
Huh, guess I actually agree with Trump about something.
I agreed with Trump twice recently.
Once when he said he was being treated unfairly. I agree. It's unfair that he gets to walk free when anyone else facing a fraction of his charges would be in jail awaiting trial.
The second time was when he declared that the threat to America came from within. I agreed with this, but disagreed with the source. He meant the left, but the threat really comes from what he sees when he looks in a mirror (and his MAGA followers).
Was just coming here to say it lmao
In his 1995 essay "Ur-Fascism", cultural theorist Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology. ...
- "Contempt for the weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate leader, who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
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I can't really blame him. I don't want anything to do with them either.
They'll still follow him into the maw of hell. They love the abuse.
They won't believe this anyway as it's "a lie from a book, probably written by communist vermin."
Hell if it was a video of him saying it then it would be a "deepfake" or they would argue that hes talking about "liberal evangelicals."
They've already rationalized supporting Trump by declaring that God is using Trump as a flawed vessel to bring about everything they want.
Once you get that far, it's not hard to justify anything else. Perhaps God had him say this as a test to see if anyone wasn't truly committed to God and would abandon Trump. Only the truly faithful would ignore everything Trump says and does and support him blindly!
Just Iowa evangelicals?
Evangelicals love a corrupt, abusive leader to lead them astray while fleecing their pockets.
He publicly said he 'likes soldiers who didn't get captured.'
There's nothing he can do to turn his people off.
Won't change a single voter's mind.
Of course not, they’ve been trained to think that anything that contradicts their beliefs is “fake”.
Oddly, I agree. 🤷♂️
I really never thought I’d agree with Trump but here we are.
Well, since they're pieces of shit, of course they'll still vote for him.
Well, he wasn't wrong
They'll hump his leg even harder.
They won’t hear about it and if they do, the knee-jerk fake news accusations will protect him from any consequences. Trump has been saying this shit forever. He hates his followers (from ‘20: Trump Has Called His Supporters ‘Disgusting.’ Do They Care?,) he hates injured vets (or vets at all for that matter, “I don’t understand, what was in it for them?”)
And yet, the almost all of the people these things should impact will never see or believe it, the rest of us fucking know. Why continue to post this shit, it’s not even good schadenfreudez
But if it helps even one moron, okay I guess.
A broken (analog) clock can still be right twice a day.
If they could read any other book, they’d be very upset about this I bet.
Lol at the implication they've read their holy book
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That will be all the other Evangelicals in Iowa - Some of them really aren’t doing their bit to enable the rapture.
But yeah. They don’t read either.
Why is this not plastered on 500 billboards on Iowa interstates then?
It doesn't confirm the target audience's biases so they'll just ignore it
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In the heat of the Republican primary of 2016, Donald Trump called evangelical supporters of his rival Ted Cruz “so-called Christians” and “real pieces of shit”, a new book says.
The new book, The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism, by Tim Alberta, an influential reporter and staff writer for the Atlantic, will be published on 5 December.
Early in the book, Alberta describes fallout from an event at Liberty University, the evangelical college in Virginia, shortly before the Iowa vote in January 2016.
As candidates jockeyed for support from evangelicals, a powerful bloc in any Republican election, Trump was asked to name his favourite Bible verse.
Trump has maintained that status despite having been impeached twice (the second for inciting the deadly January 6 attack on Congress) and despite facing 91 criminal charges (34 for hush-money payments to a porn star) and civil threats including a case arising from a rape allegation a judge called “substantially true”.
Evangelicals remain the dominant bloc in Iowa, 55% of respondents to an NBC News/Des Moines Register poll in August identifying as “devoutly religious”.
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Prediction, they think trump is the messiah and don’t care.
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