This is an absolutely delusional article. People avoid talking politics at Thanksgiving because that's what ruined previous Thanksgivings. What world does the author live in that they think everyone is suddenly going to be capable of having a calm, reasonable, and productive discussion this Year around?
this post was submitted on 23 Nov 2023
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My guess is they were the ones being uncivil and annoying- the axe forgets but the tree remembers
It's delusional because it was posted literally as everyone was already at dinner.
Maybe they got kicked out from theirs and spent the next 15 minutes angrily writing this article.
Because of the trust we have in them, our personal relationships can be a conduit for new information and ideas in ways that can break through the commentary and bias of most news sources. Our friends and family can listen and respond to questions, practice empathy, humanize the other side of the debate, tell personal stories that are likely to intersect with our own lives, and see us as individuals with nuanced views and value outside of our political opinions. But that civil and empathetic exchange of ideas only happens if we actually discuss difficult topics with our friends and family and give respect, instead of just expecting it.
.... what a fantastic world the author lives in.
Civil discourse requires both parties to be civil. bringing up politics is more likely to lead to a fist fight than any change in perspectives.
Also, the problem here is that the people that tend to disrupt the festivities, are people with whom there's a lesser degree of trust. That is to say, it's the uncle you see maybe two times a year, or the aunt you only see at thanksgiving diner. or the cousin you haven seen in a decade. so that trust isn't there to begin with.
to be entirely candid with you, it's best to simply not invite these individuals at all. if seeing them at the holidays is not an obligation one enjoys, it's perfectly okay to just... not. Because that's not what a family is.
But I will definitely.I will not disrupt and ruin a nice and peaceful dinner by lecturing everyone at the table for 1 hour so i can feel good about myself.
I understand and I respect that. I get that Thanksgiving is important to people. But as someone who cares a lot about animals, it's really hard to see people all eating a turkey as a tradition. I hold my tongue and don't speak out against it, symbolic day and all, but I feel sadness inside and sometimes it's hard to prevent that coming out in how I carry myself on the occasion.
I mean, setting a good example to everyone on the table without forcing myself on everyone is fine. I'm vegetarian and dont eat meat. My family respects that and makes me an alternative.
I respect that but it's still difficult for me to see what everyone else is doing to animals, and that's even if I don't get any rude comments from people because of my vegan (plant-based) food.
Any way forgive me but I feel like every vegetarian deserves to know the truth about the dairy industry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI
And here's a good video about why I don't eat eggs either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFz99OT18k
Happy thanksgiving :)
I know, you dont have to tell me. I was vegan, but I like cheese. Happy thanksgiving to you too.
Oh I see, cheese is very addictive after all (casein turns into casomorphin in the body, which has an opioid effect). Just wondering, have you tried vegan/plant-based cheese? I love it. Does the same job as cheese for me, though I don't have it that much.
I personally decided that the ethical and environmental problems, in addition to the health impacts, of animal derived cheese/dairy weren't worth purchasing and consuming it. But luckily we have products that taste exactly the same, lol.
No they dont and I dont care.
Lol, maybe try communicating this actually before dinner next time.
I don't feel like getting yelled at for my political opinions
Written by an insufferable bastard. Just one day without shouting acktually at someone.
Our friends and family can listen and respond to questions, practice empathy, humanize the other side of the debate, tell personal stories that are likely to intersect with our own lives, and see us as individuals with nuanced views and value outside of our political opinions.
How many people is this this the case for? My experience and the experience of my friend group might be anomalous, but empathy, humanity, and nuance are not present in my family when it comes to political conversations.
I didn’t avoid them and now me, my mom, my aunt, my kid, and my sister are avowed anarchists. Would recommend.
We didn’t discuss politics and everyone had a nice time.
With everyone talking about how much they hate their crazy uncle ranting about politics, I suppose it's nice to hear the crazy uncle's side of the story for once.