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although this is unlikely to substantially and directly impact us and is a more immediate concern for Mastodon and similar fediverse software, we've signed the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact as a matter of principle. that pact pledges the following:

i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity

the maintainer of the site is currently a little busy and seems to manually add signatures so we may not appear on there for several days but here's a quick receipt that we did indeed sign it.

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[–] Satiric_Weasel@beehaw.org 72 points 2 years ago

I guess I'm the odd one out when I say I fully support this decision. I do not trust Meta, I Do not trust their intentions, and they have given me no reason to trust them.

Thanks Beehaw.

[–] OneRedFox@beehaw.org 56 points 2 years ago

Good call from the instance admins. Meta's been a known actor for over 10 years at this point, which is more than enough time to observe their behavior (including up to a few weeks ago when they got fined for violating the GDPR). They're not going to be participating in good faith and we don't need to give them a chance to shit up the Fediverse.

Meta is not a brand new, fresh-faced corporation that maybe needs a chance to prove it's good intentions in the fediverse. It is an established entity that has a history of killing competition and often being on the wrong side of social issues. It should be rejected from federation outright because of its track record, if nothing else.

[–] Deebster@beehaw.org 30 points 2 years ago

Good. To quote WarGames:

The only winning move is not to play

Meta is at best looking to profit from the Fediverse, and more likely looking to extinguish it. I think blocking them at the borders is the only solution.

[–] BioDriver@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is fantastic news and applaud this decision. I used to work in digital marketing and having seen how Facebook, (and Twitter, Google, etc.) makes their sausage and how they operate, I advise everyone get off Meta/FB, or really any centralized social media platform for that matter.

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[–] caffinz@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago

Only good can come from shutting out corporate interests. Good on you ❤️

[–] wildeaboutoskar@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the transparency. I personally think this is the right move. Meta shouldn't be trusted, based on their previous performance. If they do something to change that then we'll see, but I'm not expecting them to change their stripes.

Been catching up on all the NDA drama on Mastodon, it's really caused a rift between some users and instance admins. Felt a bit like an 'aww it's all grown up' moment to see Mastodon having a scandal.

[–] PelicanPersuader@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago

Good move. Fuck Zuck.

[–] xptiger@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse.

I suggest to rephrase with this better: "I hereby agree to block any instances owned by, governed by, supported by mostly, funded by only or affiliated with Meta, its subsidiaries, major involving partners and influenced involving affiliates should they pop up on the Fediverse."

LEGAL DISCLAIMER: I do not provide my suggestion "as a legal advice" but as a thought to share that may be considered or configured by legal experts. I will not be held liable for any error that any revision upon or any derivative from my suggestion may cause.

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago

This pact isn't legally binding, but more of a moral "I stand against Meta" thing

[–] alex@beehaw.org 11 points 2 years ago

I really don't think this pact has any legal value to begin with.

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[–] Mars7x@beehaw.org 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I 100% agree with this decision. At first I wanted to give Meta a chance, just to get a big player in the Fediverse, but after reading this article it totally changed my views.

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[–] dcormier@beehaw.org 22 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I’m disappointed.

“The fediverse is open and interoperable!”

“No, not them.”

[–] Lionir@beehaw.org 81 points 2 years ago (21 children)

Well, we've defederated with other people in the past (and will continue to do so in the future most likely). Federated systems are not an all or nothing situation. IMO that's the biggest draw and improvement over a distributed system for social media.

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[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 33 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Don’t pretend like Meta is going to be open and interoperable.

You can’t look at their history and think letting the fox sleep in the hen house is a good idea. The house is for hens.

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[–] ikantolol@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago

there are instances in the past where big players acquire the small ones and while at first they seem to be cooperative, it ultimately destroys the small players, one such case is XMPP the open chat protocols long before we have Matrix, killed by Google

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

I guess this is a cautionary action, better to grow slower rather than be killed by Meta.

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 19 points 2 years ago

Do you really think Meta wants to be "one of us", that they plan to be on equal ground as the rest of the already existing instances managed by individuals and not by corporations? Are you that naive?

[–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

it's the paradox of tolerance. We (fediverse) cannot be tolerant of the intolerant (meta in this case), lest we be destroyed by them. And do not for one second ascribe any benevolent properties to meta, they are evil through and through and have been pretty much since inception. Tolerating their presence would be akin to tolerating nazis, the second that happens I'm fucking out of here

[–] mifuyne@beehaw.org 11 points 2 years ago

This talk of tolerance reminds me of something I read[^1]: Tolerance is a peace treaty, not a moral obligation. With this line of thought, the intolerance of intolerance stops being a paradox and makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Intolerance broke that peace treaty before it even entered into it, IMO.

[^1]: It may have been this opinion piece: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376

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[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The thing is that this isn't really a marriage of equals; if Meta joins the Fediverse then Meta will swallow the Fediverse, simply by dint of having several orders of magnitude more users.

It would be akin to India applying to become the 51st US state; if we let them in, they'd end up controlling 80% of the House and the Electoral College and the US wouldn't really be the US anymore.

[–] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 11 points 2 years ago (5 children)

While I appreciate the analogy, the electoral college is a seriously broken system which hasn't protected proportional representation in a long, long time.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

It’s ok to not tolerate algorithms that promote intolerance for clicks and advertising.

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[–] TendieMaster69@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago

Corporations will attempt to infiltrate anything they see as a threat to their profit margins. Long live the Fediverse. 😀

[–] HealGirl@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

Fuck meta and fuck Facebook. No one wants this place to become like that dogshit site. Fully support defederating from any meta owned instances

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 15 points 2 years ago

Good. There's no place for corporations on the fediverse. Specially not for a corporation like Meta that has shown time after time how dangerous they are.

[–] Griff@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I love this instance. Thank you so much guys, all this Meta stuff has been a bee in my bonnet. Forgive the pun.

[–] azureeight@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago

I appreciate the work you all do. Im a heavier lurker than particpater and i see little fingers of you all taking care of beehaw for us all the time and it makes me smile 😁 good work everyone!

[–] cavemeat@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago

I'm glad, meta has no place in the fediverse.

[–] LollerCorleone@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

As a user of the fediverse, I appreciate you for doing this.

[–] BobQuasit@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

You can't become a billionaire without being incredibly evil. They are literally working to kill off all life on the planet.

As for giving them the benefit of the doubt? Seriously? Anyone who suggests that has got to be getting a nice paycheck from the plutocrats.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 9 points 2 years ago

As an instance admin: signed.

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