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[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 149 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I mean, no joke, a dog whining/ begging is conditioning you.

I am a dog.

I beg. You give me food. I look cute.

I beg. You don't give me food. I cry.

Next time I beg, will you give me the food?

Probably.

After that: I look cute. You give me food.

Congratulations, you've just been conditioned by your dog, buuuuut you get a cute dog, lmao.

[–] ikapoz@sh.itjust.works 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I seem to remember reading that domesticated dogs evolved more expressive eyebrows that proved to be a survival advantage in this process.

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Found the article: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1820653116

That is super neat, you're right! It was bread into them due to human preference.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao, I'm not going to fix it.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I just had a good laugh. ;)

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Mmmh, puppy muffin.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've seen a few things that have shown many animals have developed a sense of "cuteness" specifically to deal with us.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've long had a theory that cats have evolved to be just cute enough that we don't murder them. Cats are evil, so it's understandable that humans would want to kill them, and I think we probably did early on, but some of them were so cute that we didn't. Those surviving cute cats reproduced and made more cute cats, but they also became more evil. Over generations, we have created beings that are supremely evil, but they're just so gosh darned cute that we let them get away with it.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well that and they kill pests. We also like things that are useful. I just wish they wouldn't put the dead pests in my shoe 😬

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Cats are an autonomous pest control system, that's why they're everywhere.

[–] outcide@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Cats don’t have any of the typical traits of domestication. Humans do.

Draw your own conclusions.

[–] SolarNialamide@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah they evolved to keep much more baby-like features into adulthood with a big head and huge eyes because that's cute to us and triggers strong instincts of protection and love. I forget the exact name for it. And my cats do be looking extremely cute all the time so it was very successful.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too bad it's not Pavlovian conditioning afaik

[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Replace every instance of dog with cat and you've got the reason I give out treats at night before I start cleaning dishes.

[–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 84 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The correct answer is

Fuck Pavlov

Motherfucker is like the Hitler of dogs. It's a shame his name is remembered for the conditioning and not the mutilation. Dude was a monster.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Wait really? Ive never been told about this

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[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I guess Piccolo was right to curse out Pavlov.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Such an existential question in so few words.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Or.. it's just an obvious "yes"...

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 35 points 1 year ago

There is a joke about that:

Pavlov is sitting in a bar enjoying his beer. The phone rings. Pavlov jumps up: "Damn! I forgot to feed the dogs!"

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My dog trained me to get him water by lifting the toilet bowl lid. He doesn’t want to drink out of it, but he knows I’ll get up to stop him and check his water on the way. Now he’ll lift the lid then go stand by the water dish.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago

Alternatively: your dog has learned how to effectively communicate with you to ask for water.

[–] Kellamity@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Pavlov's dog is not notable for showing that dogs could be conditioned (bell = food time)

What it did was show that a conditional response (bell = food time) could cause a reflexive response (saliva)

Classical conditioning is not the same as associative learning.

Pavlov's dog is not about associating Thing A with Thing B - that didn't need a russian scientist to prove.

[–] Fwoggey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn't know that! Also apparently the Barenaked Ladies had it right when they wrote Brian Wilson:

It's a matter of instinct

It's a matter of conditioning and a matter of fact

You can call me Pavlov's Dog

Ring a bell and I'll salivate

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's haunting about this question?

[–] braxy29@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i suppose it's that his intent was to train (essentially to control) something apart from himself, but he likely trained himself in the process (created something within himself that he did not control, at least for as long as the response was conditioned).

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[–] Kiwi_Girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Your brain being altered without your consent/awareness?

[–] macisr@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Fuck, damn. 🤔

[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Pavlov Pavloved Pavlov

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

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Jeremy Parish, probably, @gamespite

Out of nowhere, my nephew just asked, "Do you think Pavlov thought about feeding his dog every time he heard a bell ring?" and now I'm going to be haunted by this question

[–] JPJones@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

The mice will see you now.

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