Bad idea, this looks like Stockholm syndrome to me.

Reddit has already shown they will screw everyone over, and no amount of blowback so far has gotten them to change course.

Leave (and optionally try to give Reddit as much hell as possible on the way out). That's the only answer now.

I don't think there is any redemption either, even if u/spez is removed. He's not the first bad head of the company, if anything the company has never had any good heads.

It's way past this point now. Had reddit done this back when the shutdowns were first planned that would be one thing, but at this point they've demonstrated they can't be trusted, they don't care about their users or mods, and they're only interested in anything they think will increase the their profit margins for the IPO. If you aren't an investment firm they don't give a single shit about you past whatever damage you might do to their IPO plans.

My answer was stopping modding, stopping posting and now a data takeout and GDPR deletion request (and a complaint because they will fail to honor it) on the way out. I would have done it years ago if there was a place to migrate to.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

In the internal letter to their employees, spez said :

We absolutely must ship what we said we would.

The way I see it some promise has been done by spez and they definitely won't change their minds.

Third party apps are just dead that's just how it is.

It's nice that they still have hope and still love their community enough to want to attempt to seek some sort of resolution, but imo reddit the company is never going to budge now. It's personal for spez now, and the company is simply going to barrel on and ignore all these letters and everything. They're committed to their stance now, and they're going to simply wait it out, until all the opposing people have left/been kicked out and all that is left of reddit the community are those who either still support them or who don't care. It's sad, but imo the reddit as we knew it is dead, and it's time to accept that and move on.

It's too late, the damage has already been done, and not just because of the pricing. Reddit's outright manipulative and malicious treatment of devs has already driven most of them to shut down their work with the company. I certainly wouldn't want to work with a platform that treats me like that, profitable or not.

Even if reddit backpedals, many of these communities are now irreversibly fractured. From the ones that went dark and had moderation replaced, or creators left, to outright posting porn or shitposting John Oliver, all of these communities will take time to fix and go back to normal for every reason under the sun. Half of reddit is on fire and just as so, you can heal from a burn but it's never the same.

This abusive relationships has evolved again, and spez is still hitting you now he's burned you. To use Louis Rossmans words "it's not even about the api anymore. Look how the entire company acts when they're told they're wrong. Look how much they will do. How far they will go. Do you really want to invest your time or money as an investor in a company it's own users are actively trying to burn down?"

Why do people want to continue working for free making profit for a company who don't give a fuck about them?

I don't see the point. If we've learned one thing already, it's that the users must control the platform. And that can never happen with Reddit

From the article

Reddit didn’t immediately reply to a request for comment. According to Reddit spokesperson Tim Rathschmidt, “We’ll no longer comment on hearsay, unsubstantiated claims, or baseless accusations from The Verge. We’ll be in touch as corrections are needed.”

Fucking fuck me sideways

Dude reddit isn't for you. It is okay. It is a business and they have a right to do whatever they want with their business, but IDK how many more ways they can say "You aren't important to me" before people stop saying "But I should be important to you!"

The open letters showed me those people only cared about their position in the first place. Otherwise they wouldn't be bargaining, knowing it's useless, they'd leave like the rest of us did

Too late, the Lemmy is out of the box!

RIF: Reddit Is Finished, move on.

Couldn’t care less. Lemmy is already so much better than that cesspool. Reddit has been circling the drain for years.

Just stop moderating them already. Don't go dark. Reddit will revert. Don't make it NSFW to stop ad profits. Reddit will revert. Just. Stop. Moderating.

Let it fill up with nudes and hate speech and then sure, let's have Reddit forcibly remove you. They'll pull in a new team of mods but if they're just picked out of the blue, they're unlikely to find the time and energy necessary to do it well because this takes passion and many teams were assembled carefully over time with votes and selection processes for a reason. It's often a team effort of passionate people. Moderating poorly risks putting the subreddit on collision course with the community but hey that is Spez and gang's problem, not yours.

I don't think there is any other language that Reddit understands than this. Mods -- take a breather and see what the world has to offer. It's not just all about Reddit.

It’s too late. Hopefully Reddit dies.

It's time to stop begging and start leaving.

Interesting how the first thing I felt when I read this was, "I hope Reddit doesn't".

Incredible how fast my fondness of Reddit went away in 1 week.

I didn't read anything in this thread, but I'd just like to give my opinion. I honestly don't care. Make it affordable if you wish, but if Lemmy keeps alive and well, I'm good at where I am.

Reddit doesn't want third party apps. They will get more money with their official app, simple as that.

For reddit you are just a wallet full of money. Spez doesn't see you in any other way, just walking money.

Offer me money.
Spez: Yes!

Power, too, promise me that.
Spez: All that I have and more. Please...

Offer me everything I ask for.
Spez: Anything you want...

I want Apollo back, you son of a bitch.

Reddit has given several responses, full of contempt, belittlement, and insults. Oh, and threats. Can’t forget the threats.

Hey reddit mods: reddit doesn’t give a damn about you, your sub, or the community you built. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it hurts. Don’t be a fool and wait around for another response. The sooner you move on from reddit, the better off you’ll be.

This feels very much like a “when someone shows you who they are, believe them” type scenario. Even if Reddit backtracks and courts 3rd party apps in their eco-system, they’ve shown themselves. They don’t care about communities, users, or mods.

When your abusive partner promises to stop beating you, you should not go back to the relationship. They will beat you again.

Reddit wants to kill 3PAs. What I don't understand is why they're going through the whole act of pretending that the API is going subscription when they're making it prohibitively expensive and only giving them a month to put it in place. Why not just be honest and shut it down to third parties entirely?

Anybody trying to save reddit at this point is a fool.

I'm sure reddit will get right on that.

im confused why people a. think spez had enough control to make these decisions. b. that killing the 3rd party apps wasnt the point.

almost zero notice, exorbitant costs for stripped access...

there was never going to be a compromise. 'they' want to wall their garden, and thats all she wrote

Can't imagine what they could deliver that would bring Apollo or RIF back.