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[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 161 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Also dealerships: $10k mark up on this bad boy!

Why do we even have dealerships?

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's a delicate ecosystem: the car salesmen need their cut to spend on drinking and gambling or else the bars and dog tracks will shut down causing more unemployment.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 20 points 11 months ago

All part of a petroleum-based economy.

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[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 53 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I know Lemmy hates Tesla, but not having to deal with a dealership was one of the primary decision points for me.

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[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago

Because dealers have lobbied to have the law mandate them.

I know "deregulation" is a bit of a dirty word, but some regulations are genuinely bad. In this case, it's literal textbook rent seeking, in the economics sense.

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[–] mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 99 points 11 months ago

These stories piss me off, because I tried from January to May to buy a Chevy Bolt from a dozen plus dealers and all I found was markups, falsely advertising customer pre-ordered vehicles as available for sale, and even 3 year old models with 5000 miles being advertised as "new."

I finally gave up and bought a used car from an independent honest dealer. All this talk of EV's not being able to sell is just the dealer tactics coming back to haunt them and I say fuck them

[–] zerbey@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Start selling cheaper ones. The day a sub $20,000 EV comes along that can do more than 150 miles on a charge you will all shut up and take my money. I don't need fancy features, I just need something that can get me to work and back with a bit of wiggle room and never have to pay for gas again. 150 miles would be more than sufficient, but 200 would be PERFECT. Leaf and Bolt are close, can we get something a little cheaper, pretty please?

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not many quality ICE vehicles come at that price point these days.

[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Can't even get many used for that cheap these days.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Do you need new? I got a used bolt for about 12k.

[–] XenoWarden@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Midwest, found it online

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 37 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I needed to drive 5 hours to get one at a good price. And they were moving tones of that model though. The other places I went to also mentioned their EVs were moving very quickly, one I was looking at was bought within 2 days of listing. So this doesn't at all match with my experience. Maybe they're referring to the super expensive luxury EVs rather than lower price ones?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 71 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Or, hear me out.... they are lying. The dealerships are just lying liars and are lying. Because that's what liars do.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

There was just an article (or a couple) the other week about how dealerships are intentionally pushing people to ICE vehicles and lying about EVs anyway they can. I think in one example a sales person told a customer looking at EVs that they can only go 25 MPH or something lmao

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[–] ApeNo1@lemm.ee 28 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It is not in a dealers best interest to sell vehicles that require less costly services for the life of the car which is a big ongoing revenue for many dealerships.

[–] III@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the exact reason everyone across the globe exclusively use horses for transportation. Replacing them with these horseless carriages would destroy the shoeing business, where would we put all of the feed?.... What is Biden thinking?!

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

We have no money and everything is more expensive.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

How about you and the manufacturers sell them cheaper, and now here me out. Maybe then, and I know this is a crazy idea. But could we make it so that the already rich multi million dollar owners earned less?

Nah, wouldn't want that. I'm sure VW and the gang need the money.

[–] sudoku@programming.dev 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

if only EVs remain, there won't be any problem selling.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unless those EVs start at $50,000. Then they're gonna be hard to move no matter what.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


After making record profits in the wake of the pandemic and the collapse of just-in-time inventory chains, they're now complaining that selling electric vehicles is too hard.

Almost 4,000 dealers from around the United States have sent an open letter to President Joe Biden calling for the government to slow down its plan to increase EV adoption between now and 2032.

More and more car buyers are opting to go fully electric each year, although even a record 2023 will fail to see EV uptake reach double-digit percentages.

Mindful of the fact that transportation accounts for the largest segment of US carbon emissions and that our car-centric society encourages driving, the US Department of Energy published a proposed rule in April that would alter the way the government calculates each automaker's corporate average fuel efficiency.

Over the summer, industry analysts at Cox Auto made plenty of headlines with data showing that new EV inventory was growing.

Helpfully, the dealers published a complete list of the 3,882 signatories, making it very easy for people to see which businesses are opposing action on climate change.


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[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] DrunkenHarold@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago
[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Biden: Sounds like a you problem.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

Huge discounts on EVs? I really need to get out and see this!

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

While in Canada there is 12-24 months wait time for an EV...

[–] KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is that because they just aren't making them because no one can afford them?

I just paid $18,000 for an 8 year old base model Jeep Patriot with 210K.

Car market is fucked.

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