I always thought this was a bullshit cop-out.
No you didn't, you lied.
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Agreed. I'm guessing this is one of those 'myths' that Humanity has about Vulcans and the Vulcans just play completely into it to have an advantage. But the longer a human works with a Vulcan, the sooner they realize that it's utter bullshit and that most Vulcans are a bunch of lying emotional sluts
Emotional slut:
I mean it's largely Berman at play here, but still.
Berman
May his dick be infested with a thousand termites.
Old Vulcan proverb.
Ha! I get it, because termites eat wood! This is very logical. I enjoy this.
I can fix her
You can’t fix everything Trip.
O'Brien can fix her
Beaming her out into space is not a solution
Well, DS9 era Miles can fix everything, even a broken marriage. Not his broken marriage mind you.
His marriage is fine. It's his own trauma that he's running from. That's why he spends his days fixing everything else and his nights playing dress-up and dolls.
I beg to differ.
Listen.
Hot space elves don't get spaced. Not on my watch!
O'Brien bream @WarmSoda 500m off the upper pylon
I will retuuurrrrrrrrn
I read that in Trip's voice.
Wasn't Spock originally supposed to be an android, but they changed him to space elf because of budget?
I could be making this up. I feel like that's something I read though.
That would explain the no lying thing.
I'm not sure about android but he was supposed to be Martian and have red skin. However there were a lot of complaints about 'devil' comparisons.
I was mixing things up, it was phase II that was supposed to have the Android.
IIRC, it was the Vulcan science officer in Star Trek: Phase II that they originally wanted to be an android.
That's exactly what it was! Thank you
We come to serve
I can't find anything to indicate that, but this novel has a wild plot involving android versions of seemingly half of Starfleet.
most Vulcans are a bunch of lying emotional sluts
Vulcans = twinks in their early 20s?
I mean they're not even bound to tell the truth like the Aes Sedai, who anyway manage to deceive plenty. Plus even if Vulcans had some kind of instinct to only tell the truth, Spock is part human.
s1e9 "Prime Factors"
How'd this manage to use both it's and its for same thing?
Idunno, just copy pasted from IMDB. And I'm terrible at proof reading.
Also why Vulcans seem to make the most boneheaded decisions half the time. A species of endless logic and not a shred of common sense.
Bones-posting
This is most evident in the TOS episode "The Galileo Seven". It's a horrible scenario: Spock is in command of a marooned crew on a hostile planet. He fails to take both a scared crew and an aggressive native species of spear throwing giants, into consideration. He makes one logical survival choice after another, failing to address everyone's irrationality at every turn, which ultimately costs two lives. Nothing more than the crew's faith in the chain of command (and perhaps faith in Scotty's engineering skills) holds this disasterpiece together.
And Vulcans in Trek kind of just get worse from there. You'd think they'd eventually learn to take "irrational actors" into account with assessing situations, but they don't. While that seems far-fetched, our economists here in 21st century Earth don't either.
Sometimes lying is the most logical course of action.
I think they technically say that Vulcans don't lie, not that Vulcans can't lie. That would imply that they prefer to avoid it, but can if they need to. I mean, if Tuvok couldn't lie then he never would have been able to go under cover as a member of the Maquis.
Chakotay: Welcome to the Maquis Resistance, are you spy?
Tuvok: That would be logical.
And the show is over before it begins.
Lying is practically all the Vulcans do according to Enterprise.
We'd never build a spy outpost underneath our holiest monastery!
you see it was only our second holiest monastery. And that spy outpost was first.
Can't argue with that kind of bulletproof logic.
"We Vulcans are incapable of lying... about everything but that stuff."
Londo: I do not lie when I say this could have been a major embarrassment to all concerned.
Sheridan: Oh, I'm sure ambassador. You don't lie, the Minbari don't lie, no one around here...
Londo: Who said the Minbari don't lie?
All Vulcans know how to do is be bisexual, eat hot chip, and lie.
I don't understand why people assume Vulcans and Data can't lie because they don't have emotions.
You don't need feelings to lie.
I don't understand why people assume Vulcans don't have emotions. Their emotions are stronger than those of any human.
Which is why they work so hard to keep them in check. If only we could take a note from that.
They're largely autisticly coded, and we don't generally lie, to the extent that it causes us problems. So I'd guess people are picking up on the coding.
It's known on earth as politics
Where you bend the truth, modify explanations, omit certain facts, exclude details, interpret data, make your own calculations or highlight known unknowns as well as unknown ones. Then you talk in great detail about everything without ever passing along any new information ... it's a highly developed skill.
But in everything you do ... you never lie, you never tell an untruth .... you just use logic and reason and stating certain truths while omitting others to make the other person believe what you want them to believe.
Also true for Minbari.