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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Every President has called on Kissinger at some point. Even Obama. It’s no surprise at all that HRC would have a professional relationship and even a friendship with the man considering his presence in the administration during her tenure. He never let himself drift far from the seats of power. Ever.

Kissinger was perfectly happy to make himself useful in some way to perpetuate his view of the geopolitical world.

E: Don’t believe me?

Kissinger visited the White House to advise President Barack Obama more than once. And in 2016, Secretary of Defense Ash Carter presented Kissinger with a distinguished public service award from the Defense Department.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/henry-kissinger-dead-leaders_n_5d10ef86e4b0aa375f50baf0/amp

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Every President has called on Kissinger at some point. Even Obama

You say this like people didn't realize Obama lied about being progressive a decade ago...

Dude was neoliberal thru and they. It's just he was so (relatively) young no one knew his first election, and the second there wasn't a primary so the only other option in the general was R

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

The man has a Nobel Peace Prize, what more can he do?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love how bOtH SiDeS is now a defense.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s not meant to be. It’s an inference that the Cold War anti-commie imperialist way of thinking never stopped. As much as we’d like to think that there is dynamic change with each new president, there really isn’t that much other than the surface diplomacy. The US has been conducting geopolitical business very much the same as it has been for multiple decades. That should be pretty obvious when you view our involvement in world events.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

As much as we’d like to think that there is dynamic change with each new president, there really isn’t that much other than the surface diplomacy.

So both sides do it.

And therefore Clinton being friends with him is NBD.

If this isn't using "both sides" as a defense, it sure looks like it.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Again, reinterpreting what I said in a limited context to hyperbole.

No, both sides are not the same.

Clinton being friends with him is indicative of what her foreign policy was/would have been. Have you forgotten her work?

Exercise some nuance, man.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I see how it is.

"Both sides" is like "vote blue no matter who" in that it's only meant to be used to dismiss criticism from the left.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You’re just making stuff up now.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

You mean to tell me that you've never seen someone say "both sides" when someone to their left criticizes Democrats?

Why is there no insistence upon nuance then?

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I'll leave the in-depth policy statements to future commenters. I just want to know if they did it.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago

The war crime was Hank's finishing move.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Probably while bill watched- and maybe played with a cigar.

[–] salt@lemmings.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)