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[–] genfood@feddit.de 110 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] gosling@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't get how people expect services to stay free while also being against any kind of subscription or ads and barely donate to support these projects.

This isn't an essential feature they're paywalling. I don't even remember the last time I sent a voice note, let alone get one from a stranger. Feels more like a thank you from the devs for supporting them

[–] joao@aussie.zone 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd understand paying for an active feature, like to SEND voice messages, but not having to pay to restrict spam sent my way.

[–] gosling@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is VOICE MESSAGE we're talking about, not calls nor chats. You can already block calls from non contacts and create a folder to only show chats from your contact.

How many voice message spams have you received that you feel like this is a deal breaker and how is Signal an appropriate alternative in this regard, when it doesn't even have as many privacy options including this one?

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[–] PotjiePig@lemmy.world 104 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

So we want free apps that offer everything and don't take your data or advertise. It must also have constant security updates and a fleet of developers keeping it running. Good Luck finding that unicorn.

I actually like this development. I'd much rather pay for a service with money over my privacy.

[–] cloaker@kbin.social 109 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Signal literally exists. Free.

[–] FoxBJK@midwest.social 64 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It’s only free because they’re trusting users to donate. That method of generating income for their developers could stop working at any time. Lots of FLOSS projects struggle to find kosher funding.

[–] jkure2@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Come on dog this is literally just 'yeah well what if we imagine a hypothetical world where MY argument is right, how about that?'

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[–] waka@feddit.de 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Signal uses donations to keep running. That's one of the reasons why they don't need to do this kind of crap. Kinda like Firefox.

It's sad to see that slowly but surely the Internet gets divided into the more and more useless giant sector and the free and open sector, which just doesn't get the attention it needs to be attractive enough for most to switch over. And then there's also this weird shadow area where I often hear those pirate chanties from...

[–] FoxBJK@midwest.social 43 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Firefox wants to rely on donations but in reality 90% of their funding comes from an advertising company.

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[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 year ago (4 children)

signal is the perfect messaging app for normies

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I would generally agree with you, if it could allow you to sign-in on multiple devices, and share message history. I understand why it doesn't do either one, but it does cripple the experience

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[–] Kyle@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I definitely prefer premium over my personal data being the product for "free".

As I get older I'm appreciating paid electronic services and content when done responsibly in exchange for a private ad-free and well done experience. But it's taking a lot to get over my decades of conditioning assuming everything on a computer and internet should be "free".

I've enjoyed my kagi premium search trial and seeing the prices is a bit much. But getting really good search results and having the webpage or search run so fast and seeing my ad blocker greyed out because there were no ads and trackers to block is surreal this day and age.

I just wish we had a better way of trusting telegram. The only thing encrypted by default is secret chats. I'd buy premium if it made all chats including group chats started by the user encrypted by default.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Yeah, problem with the fremium model is that they usually still collect and sell information on their premium users just the same as their free users. The premium just add some semi-essential features that they cut out for the free users. And finding truly 100% premium services that don't sell personal data is rare these days because that's where the money is for now, information. I don't mind paying for a good service, but I won't both pay and share my personal information, that's just paying twice.

[–] Pokethat@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The issue is that is that now they have your billing address and credit card number

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[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I totally agree with you, but it's the damn cable model all over again.

Pay us so we don't have to make money by selling you stuff.

Hey, we can still make money by selling them stuff.

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[–] neonfire@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Never noticed because I've never received a single voice message in the 5+ years of using it. Then again, I only use it with friends and not large communities. I've had spam messages, but they're rare and just text talking about crypto.

[–] Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago

And thats why I switched to Matrix and set up a Telegram bridge.

[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll stick with Signal thanks

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I avoided using telegram when it asked for my phone number.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I avoided using telegram when it asked for my phone number.

So you don't use Signal and Element either?

[–] min_fapper@iusearchlinux.fyi 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Element does not require a phone number. Signal does, and yes I don't use it for that reason.

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[–] nosnahc@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (9 children)
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[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I switched all of my friends and family to telegram in 2013. I deleted it 2 months ago. 10 years.

Telegram was so great. Always cutting edge, released so many features before anyone else, and the app always stayed extremely lightweight. What broke the camels back for me was them destroying transfer speeds for free users.

I have 1gbps internet connection, and videos and photos take FOREVER to download and send on telegram. Trying to send a short 30 second clip on telegram takes a good 90-120 seconds, even on the lowest compression.

Meanwhile snapchat and other apps take 3 seconds and look better?

They are trying to push their premium so hard, which is fine, gotta pay, but I'm sorry there's no chance in hell all of my friends and family are paying $7 CAD each per month.

At this point I've just switched to RCS messages for all of my Android friends, and Snapchat for my stubborn iOS friends.

[–] IDatedSuccubi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

For a long time it was ran on money that Durov made from VK and it's selling deal and had no ads, almost perfect development. It was a ton of money obviously, but we all knew it would run out sooner or later and then everything would change. I bought premium once because I wanted to support the project, and I still use it. Hopefully I won't have to use anything else, because I hate almost any other messenger.

Edit: forgot "would"

[–] Delta_44@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

EXACTLY.

Everyone else here is forgetting that Telegram is still pushing the limits and it's still one of the best app for messaging (the best in my opinion though), if they're recurring to this, it's because money aren't unlimited.

Shut the hell up you people: Telegram still isn't invading privacy and using anti-user practice, the hell you complaining about?

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[–] soulifix@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I keep forgetting why sometimes I even use Telegram. It's just there. I don't want their dumb subscription.

[–] gunnm@monero.town 11 points 1 year ago

You can use it without premium.

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