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[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Im skeptical a fair bit of time about those congressional 'lefties' but this is true, for the most part they're doing what they can. What I do like most about them is when they show up outside of a legislative capacity, like showing up at strikes or going to meet unions. I think many people discount how important that boots on the ground work is. Imagine being a franchise owner of something trying to snuff out union efforts knowing you're gonna have US Lawmakers who agree with your workers physically there with the workers. You better come correctly in that situation.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just want to point out that they only showed up in support of the current labor movement after immense pressure was put on them after failing to support the historic Amazon JFK8 union drive. AOC and politicians like her still have to pushed, sometimes hard, to do the right thing.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 6 points 1 year ago

They show an ability to learn from their mistakes, at a minimum. Can't be said for all.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry man I just fundamentally disagree and feel like you are ignoring/undervaluing the role grassroots organizing plays. This is pure political pressure, not a reevaluation of policy.

I say this specifically because as soon as you give a politician the benefit of doubt and remove that political pressure they stop "learning from their mistakes".

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[-] Yondu_the_Ravager@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

Good. I hope they achieve far more in the future, it would be a net benefit for everyone, even those who dislike them and their politics

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The greatest threat to conservatives is other conservatives. Unfortunately, they’re just too stupid to understand why.

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Their own party treats them with more disdain than their supposed "opposition party."

AOC and the other actual left-wing minority making waves in a sea of right-wing neoliberals and righter-wing fascists is amazing. They can't win, the game is fully rigged and the institutions are fully captured by monied interests with political bribery legalized, but it's like watching Cap get up to face Thanos' army alone, it's inspiring.

Too bad no one, including most Americans, are on their left.

Because were too far into the sunk cost fallacy to reject ~~"free market"~~ rigged crony capitalism.

"We can't re-examine our core economic beliefs! We already gave the owners all the money, and they promised for half a century to whip their dicks out and urinate golden showers of prosperity on all of us!... any day now..."

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The article makes an argument exactly against this mentality.

[-] bleph@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I read the article, and I agree with Freddie deBoer. This is just liberal apologetics. This is just the same arguments of things are getting better, just wait, blah, blah, blah. I’m old. It’s tired. Give me healthcare and change my mind.

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[-] DarraignTheSane@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Isn't that just the progressive left? As far as I know we don't worship figureheads like the fascist right with their orange demigod.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

America’s “left” is pretty middle of the road if you compare the US to other first world nations.

Things like free affordable / free university education, universal healthcare, consumer protection, and decent unemployment insurance are not controversial elsewhere. But in the US the right wing claims these boring ass ideas, that the rest of the modern world has embraced, are radical.

If left wing idea were hot sauces, the GOP would think mayo was the Last Dab on Hot Ones.

[-] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 4 points 1 year ago

You can still respect and admire a figurehead without worshipping them. The difference is whether you bend definitions and rules to make exceptions of them when they deviate from expectations.

[-] wozomo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, the article linked is an AOC apologist quite literally bending “definitions and rules to make exceptions” for her after another columnist said she was "just a regular old Democrat now."

Branding the progressive left the “AOC Left” is also problematic and indicative of some hero worship on the author’s part.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Just as subservience breeds subjugation, so choosing between differing forms of exploitation can only result in continued exploitation. Being asked to choose between capitalism and fascism does not change the direction we are travelling in, it only marginally changes the route we are taking to get there.

[-] Cabrio@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

subservience breeds subjugation

I like that phrasing, goes well with 'civility breeds cowardice'.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Can I ask where that quote is from? Or is it your own?

[-] Cabrio@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My own, used often in the same context you use yours.

Civility breeds cowardice, when will people learn that their civility has been abused by those with hands on their throats and their wallets.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You have a gift for metaphorical speech 🎤

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[-] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

She's the Obama of millennials, and will probably achieve the same political success. (Once the boomers preventing her ascension all die off.)

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It’s not the generation, it’s capitalism.

[-] Harrier_Du_Bois@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This article said basically nothing about what the “AOC left” has actually accomplished. It’s just a pro-Dem puff piece. Also, the author clearly doesn’t understand who leftists are.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

How far did you get in this article?

The article sites examples such as the left dragging the party into supporting:

  • a much bigger social safety net during the pandemic
  • debt forgiveness
  • investing a shitload in transitioning to green tech

I could go on. Read the article.

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We’re not transitioning to green tech, we’re doing what was previously known as the “all of the above” plan, which is among the worst possible options. We’re expanding renewables, but we’re also in the midst of one of the largest expansions of Oil and Gas development, and specifically pipelines and drilling on public lands, in the history of the country, if not the largest overall.

We could build a hundred trillion dollars worth of renewable energy, but it literally does nothing but put MORE carbon into the atmosphere via production unless we couple it with drawing down fossil fuel usage.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The point being, if you think we’re not doing enough now, you should’ve seen how little the DNC was going to do before the left of the party started making a big stink.

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

it literally does nothing but put MORE carbon into the atmosphere via production unless we couple it with drawing down fossil fuel usage.

You are completely incorrect.

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2023/07/12/new-study-evaluates-climate-impact-ira#:~:text=The%20research%20teams%20found%20that,journal%20Science%20on%20June%2029.

This study, among others, not only confirms a reduction in emissions, but estimates more than 40% of a reduction by 2035 based on 2005 numbers.

When I was in college, my goal was to work for a green energy company. I didn't think that was realistic for a chemical engineer for at least 15 years at best. And now, about 5 years after graduating? I'm working for a company that generates green energy and is also decarbonizing other industries.

I know doomposting has its place, but it should at least be factual.

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[-] DharmaCurious@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Jesus I couldn't even finish the article. It was a long winded "but the Democrats are good actually!" Sheepdog bullshit piece.

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

This article is about progressives changing the Democratic parties objectives/policies and does give examples.

Between 2009 and 2020, many left-wing Democrats agitated for their party to embrace a “full employment” macroeconomic policy. AOC was among them. Then, when the COVID crisis hit, Democrats did as these progressives advised.

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In 2020, congressional Democrats insisted on increasing unemployment benefits to a level that left many laid-off workers with more income than they’d previously earned at their jobs. Under Biden, meanwhile, Democrats enacted a $1.9 trillion stimulus bill on a party-line vote. The party’s decision to pursue stimulus on this scale — after Congress had already appropriated trillions of dollars in relief spending — was explicitly motivated by the left’s critique of Obama. As New York Times reported in 2021:

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Since Occupy Wall Street, the American left has made student debt forgiveness one of its core policy demands. The Biden administration has taken extraordinary measures to answer that call. The president has successfully canceled a record $116.6 billion in forgiveness for 3.4 million borrowers. He has also attempted to unilaterally cancel at least $10,000 of student debt for virtually every U.S. borrower.

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[-] blazera@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

so most of this article was excuses as to why progressives supposedly cant achieve anything.

[-] Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

They are the ultra minority. I imagine the report points to that.

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