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Death to NATO

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The world without America being able to fund forever wars... imagine the horror!

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago

it's what keeps a lot of people in Washington up at night

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 77 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Almost as if the interests of the American people would be better served if America didn't feel compelled to interject itself in every conflict in the world.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yea the really easy answer to this is "don't overcoming to ukraine and spread yourself too thin"

But I want America to fail so hopefully that really obvious answer remains an impossibility

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 75 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Again threatening us with a good time, but unfortunately this is probably worth as much as the pile of manure western think tanks were feeding the world in Ukraine topic before.

So i read it and yup, the exact same manure and it's still sprinkled with copium

It would give China the green light to flex its power over a weakened US and cost US taxpayers an "astronomical" sum to pay for beefed-up defense spending.

"Such an outcome would bring a battered but triumphant Russian army right up to NATO's border from the Black Sea to the Arctic Ocean,"

That would mean that the US would be forced to deploy a "sizable portion" of its ground forces to Eastern Europe

Literally every paragraph is crybullying and saberratling. They really get paid heavy money for that regurgitated nonsense?

[–] sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml 63 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

expand NATO to meet Russia's borders

cry that the russian army is right up to NATO's border

???

[–] KKSankara@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Just like when they cried that the USSR put nukes in Cuba after the US already put nukes in Turkey, and a shit load of other countries right next to the USSR. But it's the Russians that are aggressive and militaristic.

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[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago

It's fine when we do it but not when they do it.

Western brain in action.

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 61 points 11 months ago (5 children)

What I love the most about these articles is how they just treat the idea that US needs to dominate the world militarily as being axiomatic. It's never explained why this is in the interest of American people, it's just a given that US will have to keep expanding the military at the cost of the standard of living of its people because reasons.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 11 months ago

Imperialism is non-negotiable.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 11 months ago

It's simple, if the US stopped, the empire would fall, and then the evil China takes over. Silly tankie.

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[–] Rom@hexbear.net 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It would give China the green light to flex its power over a weakened US and cost US taxpayers an "astronomical" sum to pay for beefed-up defense spending.

So the excessive military spending by the US empire is China's fault somehow.

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[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 11 months ago

“Such an outcome would bring a battered but triumphant Russian army right up to NATO’s border from the Black Sea to the Arctic Ocean,”

Wasn't that exactly what they promised Ukraine lol?

[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 11 months ago

“Such an outcome would bring a battered but triumphant Russian army right up to NATO’s border from the Black Sea to the Arctic Ocean,”

I wonder if not expanding the de facto NATO-Russia border might have prevented the expansion of the NATO-Russia border 🤔

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[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 55 points 11 months ago

Oh noooo ahahaha don't do that your so sexy ahahahaha

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This article feels extremely dogmatic to me. I fail to see how a renewed investment in the war effort in Ukraine doesn't pose the same problem, stretching defence resources thin, that this think tank is fear mongering over. Hell, sending more weapons to Ukraine would likely be worse since many of them will likely go "missing" anyway and Ukraine doesn't have enough men to arm with them.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Right, it's not really clear what the argument here is even. To actually win in Ukraine would also require a phenomenal investment, and frankly it's pretty clear that US doesn't have a path to win in Ukraine regardless how much money it dumps into this war at this point. So, if US can't win in Ukraine then the article is really just setting up the narrative that US now has to spend untold billions on its military going forward because US wants to have a war with China next.

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[–] relay@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Don't they understand that the US already gave China everything that it needs to thrive? All of their current political objectives can be accomplished without invading a dying empire. They don't need to be the perfect trading partner, just better than the US/EU. They have developed their productive forces to be a high quality goods manufacturer.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago

The US and NATO also drove Russia straight into China's arms for the foreseeable future, securing much of China's raw materials via transit routes that are exceptionally hard to interdict either politically or militarily.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 11 months ago

I think that's precisely where the panic comes from. Neocons are starting to realize that China is pulling ahead of the US economically, and it's now a more important trading partner than US for majority of the world. US is frantically trying to find a way to derail China's progress in any way possible.

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[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

So in essence, this "Institute for the Study of War" is cudgeling the Democrats to give the Republicans exactly what they want, and totally shut down the southern border so that materiel can resume and continue flowing into ukronazi hands; otherwise "muh China". Am I missing anything here? Seriously, I feel like I'm watching the mask slip off the uniparty's face as the two hands bicker amongst each other.

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[–] NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"If we stop funding Ukraine, Putin will take over the whole country!"

Yeah, that's why the Russians are digging in and consolidating their gains instead of pushing forward. I guess they're planning on walking through those fields they just mined to hell and back... also "muh Taiwan!"

Reading articles from the western liberal press is like stepping into an alternate dimension.

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[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

"China could invade another country"

Either they're clueless about the fact that a PRC ROC war would be a civil war according to international law, or they're trying to act like China is going to invade... idk, India? Vietnam? Singapore? Makes zero sense

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 11 months ago

I don't think making sense is the goal of that article.

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago
[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 11 months ago

The geopolitics of

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[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This is a real nothingburger article. It's literally just "The US was hoping it would win this war it started, because losing will cost them more."

And of course they throw in China there, which gets barely a mention in the article (they even accidentally admit that the only reason Taiwan hasn't reunified is because of US meddling.) It's just bog standard "think tank" stuff of "You'd better give the MIC more money, we're experts, so give them more money, they need more money. More."

EDIT: I guess it does detail the US's overall plans once they lose. They will probably make Europe pay huge amounts for "advanced" and very expensive weapons, seems like they'll be pushing all the losses onto Europe. Sounds like Europe's going to have to make some "austerity measures" of their own so the ghouls in Washington can continue to exploit someone.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 11 months ago (11 children)

I expect Europe is very much getting fucked here. I also get the impression that once project Ukraine collapses, then US is planning to refocus on trying to start shit with China. And this is really what these types of articles are laying the ground for. I bet the narrative is going to be that US can't lose Taiwan like Ukraine, so there has to be unlimited military support for it.

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[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 11 months ago (14 children)

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Lib wandered in again I see

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