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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Wikipedia has an entire list of civilian radiation accidents.

The one that scares me the most happened in Ukraine where a radioactive capsule was accidentally built into an apartment building. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramatorsk_radiological_accident

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 months ago

New fear unlocked.

[–] fernandocarletti 3 points 11 months ago

Dude! How come something like that is considered lost and "well, enough searching"!?

[–] SisIsNotMaiMaserTong@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I personally find the demon core quite haunting.

[–] flicker@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The demon core doesn't really scare me because at least everyone there knew about the potential for harm.

[–] SisIsNotMaiMaserTong@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

It is always unsettling that dropping the reflector for a second caused a deadly radiation dose. Radiation is a bitch.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

On September 16, Alves punctured the capsule's aperture window with a screwdriver, allowing him to see a deep blue light coming from the tiny opening he had created.[1] He inserted the screwdriver and successfully scooped out some of the glowing substance. Thinking it was perhaps a type of gunpowder, he tried to light it, but the powder would not ignite.

Because, naturally, gunpowder is something you’d expect to find in medical equipment.

[–] Templa@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It is pretty depressing to find this kind of reply here. If the person was ignorant enough to think that was gunpowder that obviously means they lack knowledge. Some of these people didn't even know what makes something radioactive. Do you really think the guy would give the powder for his 6yo daughter to play if he knew better?

Have some empathy for people less privileged than you.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You've saved someone who is almost certainly already dead from criticism on the internet. You've done absolutely nothing for no one, but you've put yourself in a position of moral superiority. Well done, I guess.

[–] Templa@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The intention wasn't to feel morally superior. I am from Brazil and I know these people didn't know better. They scavenged for scraps to live, most likely didn't go to high school. Just wish people were more empathetic, but I imagine that most of the user base here is quite privileged and don't know how poor and uninformed people can be in 3rd world countries.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Again, there’s uninformed, and there’s thinking the medical device you stole from the hospital could contain gunpowder. For me that crosses a line from simply not knowing any better to just not logically thinking something through at all. Common sense should tell you gunpowder isn’t at the hospital, unless you’re cauterizing wounds on the battlefield.

And I’m sure many people involved or who were exposed during this asked similar “how did this ever happen” questions at the time.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 0 points 11 months ago

Pretty good assessment.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You’ll get over it.

Seriously, there’s not knowing about radiation and not thinking something is dangerous because it didn’t ignite with a flame, and then there’s thinking something salvaged from a hospital might contain gunpowder. These are two completely different levels of ignorance or perceived lack of privilege.

There’s also spreading cool glowing stuff across the floor of your home without having the first damn clue what it is. That is monumentally dumb.

[–] Templa@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Seriously, there’s not knowing about radiation and not thinking something is dangerous because it didn’t ignite with a flame, and then there’s thinking something salvaged from a hospital might contain gunpowder. These are two completely different levels of ignorance or perceived lack of privilege.

English isn't my first language so I don't understood what you meant by this. I think you just made me realize that the english might be confusing. The people that stole the equipment aren't the same that found it in the scrapyard. It is dumb but yes, they didn't know better.

As a Brazilian myself it felt disrespectful. I haven't seen anyone before judging people from this case like this.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No, that is very incorrect.

There are four main men involved, two with the name Alves…

  • Robert dos Santos Alves (#1), who originally stole the equipment from the hospital with his friend Wagner Mota Pereira, disassembled it and opened the container, first freed glowing material and tried to burn what he thought could be gunpowder. Then sold it to the first scrapyard.

  • Devair Alves Ferreira (#2), the owner of the scrapyard, who bought it as scrap from Alves #1, then noticed it was glowing and took it home and invited people over to look at it, before selling it to a different scrapyard, after two people already freed material from it.

  • plus man #3, a friend of the first scrapyard owner (identified as "EF1" in the IAEA report), the second to free glowing grains after the original guy, who passed them around to friends and family, and infected his wife Maria, who was the only one with any common sense when she realized everyone was getting sick, then reclaimed the thing from the second scrapyard and took it to authorities.

  • plus man #4, Ivo, the first scrapyard owner’s brother, who also freed glowing grains and took them and spread them on his floor, having no idea what it was, where it contaminated his daughter and her food.

So my first comment was only referencing the original Alves #1 with no daughter, and my reply references both him in the first part, and the 4th guy with a daughter in the second part.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

allowing him to see a deep blue light coming from the *roadside picnic he had created

Ftfy

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Plainly Difficult has a lot of videos on similar radiation incidents if you are interested. Here is a video covering a stolen radiotherapy device in Mexico.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago

Love Plainly Difficult! Def recommend them 🙂

[–] Kid_Thunder@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Those deaths were horrific and it is especially said about the 6 year old girl.

Another interesting fact:

Other contamination was also found in or on:

Three buses
42 houses
fourteen cars
five pigs
50,000 rolls of toilet paper

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

I want details on the 50,000 rolls of toilet paper. I’m not even sure what questions to ask.

[–] ftothe3@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Tim Harford just did an episode on this story. Great listen. Great podcast!

https://timharford.com/2023/11/cautionary-tales-the-lethal-fallout-of-a-stolen-treasure/