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I use it to heat my house.

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[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Ive been testing combustion engines made of wood but keep getting more energy out than I put in...

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 months ago

Lisa, in this meme we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

[–] buycurious@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Sorry, I’m a bit dumb for this one.

Could someone please explain?

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 48 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There's no such thing as a 100% efficient "engine". But in this case, since the waste heat is put to use (heating the house), OP thinks there's a loophole.

But, house would also need to be soundproof. Any noise leaking to the outside is lost energy.

[–] Ellie_The_Nurse@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Ah, but that’s by design: it also acts as a soothing white noise machine.

Then you might point out the exhaust and all it’s associated wastes, but that’s by design: it produces a heady and aromatic product for recreational huffing.

Then you might point out the vibrations, but that’s by design: the engine also provides invigorating massages to relax taut muscles.

[–] Dieinahole@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

You. Come sell my book

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let's allow a rounding error for 99.51% shall we?

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 9 points 11 months ago

Don't tell anyone, but I actually only used 1 significant figure, so anything above 50% will do.

I'm also using the version of significant figures where I work backwards from the answer, otherwise I'd need 95% or higher and that's too difficult.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most engines are less than 30% efficient at producing movement. The majority of the energy is lost as heat.

Thermodynamics tells us that pretty much all energy ends up as heat. In a closed system, any device that uses energy is 100% efficient at making heat. A 1000W computer will make exactly as much heat as a 1000W heater.

A 100% efficient engine can only exist if the desired output is heat, thus making it a pretty useless engine. Also, in a closed system, the exhaust cannot leave.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

A 1000W computer will make exactly as much heat as a 1000W heater.

All space heaters should be coin miners (or some other borderline useless energy wasting tech, like AI training). Change my mind.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 6 points 11 months ago

We have enough of a chip shortage, tyvm

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

If you want to be philanthropic, there are programs you can run that use your computer's idle time to process data for cancer research and such.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

You can sign up for research crunching.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Hello_there@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But even a furnace/fireplace is subject to incomplete combustion, where some portion of the wood is transformed into byproducts that rob some of the energy of the fire. There's actually a big difference in the amount of energy you can get out of a fire, depending on the type of stove that's used.
That's some of what NGOs have tried to do for developing countries - find cheap and easily produceabke stove designs that can reduce the amount of wood needed and improve air quality in the home.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yes he is incorrect. NG furnace is 95% efficient iirc.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Wait till you hear about reverse cyxling air conditioning it exceeds 100% efficiency.

[–] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm more impressed by that fact that if either runs perfectly silent or that your house has perfect sound insulation

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I have a spherical frictionless house in a vacuum.

[–] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

At these prices?

[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

this is true only if you dont vent the exhaust outside making the air inside quite fun to breathe

[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago

so a heater and a humidifier all in one, now just have to make sure that it doesnt eat all the oxygen or make it rain inside

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

He doesn't burn very well.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Fyi I think they're around 95%.

[–] TheOneCurly@lemmy.theonecurly.page 2 points 11 months ago

It's only 100% efficient if you're also letting all the exhaust into the house too...