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Oh so that's what its for rule
(lemmy.ml)
So you're saying I can use the semicolon in a different context other than ending an instruction in my Java code ?
Yes, you can end a statement in C or C++ as well.
And, dare I say it, Javascript.
What the fuck? There are children here. Don't say shit like that.
or begin a comment in Inno
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You can ;)
You can also use them to split lists where the items have commas in them. Like if you're saying you're holding a party and you invited A, whom you dislike but would feel bad to exclude; B, who you've not seen in years and really want to catch up with; and C, who is also going to be there.
My 2c is that if the majority of people are confused about the purpose of a punctuation mark or language feature in general, then that feature is not actually fulfilling a useful function. If it was actually useful then people wouldn't be confused, they would just be using it. People would learn it organically and not need it to be explained.
That example sentence would function exactly the same if it was separated by a period, nothing is gained by using a semicolon. No new information is added, you are just going to make people wonder why there is a semicolon there making the sentence less comprehensible.
Its sorta related to the prescriptivism vs descriptivism distinction.
That example sentence would function exactly the same if it was separated by a period; nothing is gained by using a semicolon. No new information is added; you are just going to make people wonder why there is a semicolon there making the sentence less comprehensible.
FTFY. You aren't supposed to separate two independent clauses with a comma.
I occasionally use semicolons. They can help with parsing; finding a semicolon instead of a period may signify that the next expression is a continuation and expansion of the previous statement.
I fully agree with you. However, I like semicolons. They feel very chaotic because nobody knows what they do exactly.
They separate different clauses that don't necessarily have to be two separate sentences. It can be used in place of a comma where you would follow with but, and, or, nor, for, so and yet.
I have a shirt, but it is itchy.
I have a shirt; it is itchy.
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"Here is a lesson in creative writing. First rule: Do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing. All they do is show you've been to college."
Kurt Vonnegut
That's an oddly transphobic/intersexphobic way to express a criticism of semicolons...
"If you want to take my guns away from me, and you're all for murdering fetuses, and love it when homosexuals marry each other ... you're a liberal. If you are against those perversions and for the rich, you're a conservative. What could be simpler?"
-Kurt Vonnegut
Yeah it looks like the dude had some issues to say the least...
That's not his views... that's from an essay where he's parodying the mainstream ultrasimplification of political alignment.
https://inthesetimes.com/article/cold-turkey
You left out some language that I think clears up his ironic tone:
If you want to take my guns away from me, and you’re all for murdering fetuses, and love it when homosexuals marry each other, and want to give them kitchen appliances at their showers, and you’re for the poor, you’re a liberal.
If you are against those perversions and for the rich, you’re a conservative.
What could be simpler?
Totally changes it, doesn't it?
Oh, interesting. To be fair, Wikipedia left it out (not me), I was actually trying to check if the dude was a bigot or just 200iq ironic.
Still not convinced it's the latter though.
I've read 12 of Vonnegut's books. He is fundamentally a social progressive, but there are also some moments in some 70s novels (particularly Breakfast of Champions) that I find homophobic. He also has a habit of making women either passive pleasers or full nutso.
But he also explicitly and repeatedly pushes kindness, egalitarian social justice, and willingness to change.
I highly highly recommend every human read Mother Night.
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He was born in 1922, so that's not really surprising. Almost no one born that long ago wouldn't have those bigotries.
I'm not trying excusing it. I'm just not surprised.
Rules only take us so far, even good rules.
what it's* for
They can also be used as a super comma; because sometime you make a longer sentence, or a sentence with complex clauses.
I'm sorry, but the example in your comment is nonstandard usage. The part after the semicolon would typically be an independent clause, whereas the "because" marks yours as a dependent clause.
There are still comma-like uses though. The major one I can think of is as a separator in a list where each element is long, possibly containing commas of its own.
It's more of a weak period than a strong comma; both sides of it need to be complete sentences.
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They are also a great tool to use in place of tabs or spaces to make java developers lose their minds.
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I use them when a comma or period seem awkward to use in what I'm writing.
em dash supremacy—my friend introduced me to this and i haven't looked back since.
alt+0151 on PC, ctrl+alt+minus for word if I remember right. On mobile you go to more symbols, hold down the minus, and slide to the longest one.
Both require numeric keypad though- but using a minus and a space after can work as a substitute--as well as 2 minus signs (plus Lemmy happens to convert that to an em dash) - but like THAT? treason. absolutely not.
You can even join more than 2 independent clauses together as shown above.
On Mac and iPad it's option-shift-hyphen.
Also there's the en-dash (option-hypen on Mac/iPad), which is slightly shorter: –
The en-dash is meant for ranges of numbers, e.g., 1990–2023, although some use it like an em-dash.
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As someone who uses them all the time, I don't understand why people struggle with semicolons; they're not a difficult concept to comprehend.
What about three, four, or more independent clauses? Is that allowed?
I think so! Go nuts though, rules are for suckers
Hell, I don't even use semi colon, I go full colon!
I think that second comma should be a semicolon. Also, is that an anal sex joke or am I reading too much into it?
:D
;D
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You people don't use semicolons; I am very surprised. For real though, I like to use the in German class, as it makes me seem fancy and knowledgeable.
Never seen any semicolon in any German sentences. And I live since 9 years in Germany.
Neither did I. I am a native german btw (23y.o.)
DELIMITER //
SELECT name, definition
FROM definitions
WHERE name like ';'//
DELIMITER ;
I missed the bus; and that is something I will never ever ever do again
Omit the "and", and you've got it; otherwise, a regular old comma would be the right punctuation there.
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Semicolons generally replace a comma + conjunction. So use it instead of the "and" (or "because," "but," etc.) and you're good.
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Semicolons are my favorite punctuation; I love showing off.
I have been reading a lot of News Articles from the 1920s (project I'm working on) and it's really noticeable that they use ";" a lot more.
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