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[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 100 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It is one of the only nations in the world - and the only one in Europe - that provides the constitutional right to bear arms.

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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Switzerland does well with guns.

[–] Rokin@lemm.ee 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In Switzerland, everyone is trained to use guns

[–] capital@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

I don’t think lack of training was this guys issue.

[–] Borovicka@lemm.ee 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Switzerland also has heavily regulated ammunition. You can't just go to the store and buy some bullets, like in Czechia

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Like Chris Rocks stand up. Charge more for the bullets and people will think more about killing. paraphrase

[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (20 children)

Very true

Swiss:

27.6 guns per 100 residents

vs Czech:

12.5 per 100 residents

source

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[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

I bet those dead university students enjoyed all that constitutional freedom.

[–] not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would like to hear about the killers psychology and motivation (don't care about the fuckers name) and what is being done to prevent such motivation from manifesting again.

[–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago (5 children)

We don't often talk about this in the limelight, but it's important. We need to understand how they got here if we want to have any hope of reducing the odds of that happening again.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

That takes time to find out, give it a few days.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 49 points 10 months ago (6 children)

From the article:

Czech media reported that Kozak authored social media posts in which he indulged in fantasies of suicide and mass murders in the days before the attacks.

I don't want to ruin internet privacy, but who has ideas on how to handle this better? I feel like if someone's posting "I wanna do a mass shooting" something should happen. I don't want the state or private enterprise to be able to abuse that, though.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have long thought that the police as an institution in the US is, shall we say, not good.

One time I was walking home from the grocery and I saw a couple having a screaming fight on the street. The guy had taken the woman's phone from her and was holding it up out of her reach. I thought to myself, "Someone should probably do something.. but who? And what?"

If I had called the police, it's incredibly unlikely it would have gone well. The people fighting weren't white, for one thing. The cops would probably roll up, throw their authority around, and get violent. Possibly murder the guy. Not what you want. Even if they didn't do violence immediately, subjecting that guy to the criminal justice system is not what you want, either.

In my imagination there should be a department of deescalation specialists. No guns. No arrest powers. Maybe some snacks.

But yeah, policing in the US is a tragedy at pretty much every level.

Back on topic, responsibility could maybe fall onto the platform. There are suicide prevention services. Maybe there could be mass shooting prevention services.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In my imagination there should be a department of deescalation specialists. No guns. No arrest powers. Maybe some snacks.

As a teacher, I had to do home visits for every student in my homeroom. Two families threatened to kill me. One by siccing their dogs on me, the other by just shooting me. The entire purpose of my visit was just to meet them and let them know I care about their kids

What do you do when these de-escalation specialists go to talk to a person who is crazy-posting, and have their lives threatened?

I don't ask this facetiously. I think this is a good idea. But these workers will run into situations like this, and more to the point, opponents of these programs will definitely bring this sort of thing up when trying to sway public opinion.

I legit don't have an answer.

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[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The solution is to remove access to firearms capable of rapid rates of fire from the general public.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That would help with mass shootings, very likely, yes. I feel like there's also things we (or various platforms) could do to address the parent category of mass murder

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

Yes. The solution is not to curb netneutrality and online discourse though. But to have a better social net and family support that can catch individuals like these or prevent them completely.

And Czehia has or had these. Which is why the rate of mass shootings, with a country that actually allows people to own guns, is much lower than in the country where that has virtually no support and more lax gun laws.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean in the US, threatening to murder someone is a crime. I'm sure it is there too.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

If this was sort of generalized, we sell bumper stickers like that. There's a post on active with one.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 25 points 10 months ago
[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

America continues to be global leader in exporting culture

[–] KrankyKong@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Love the innovation! It's not easy making everything about America, but by god people always find a way!

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[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago (5 children)

This is one of the scariest pictures I've seen in my life

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[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My condolences to the families.

Hope they'll figure out how to never make it happen again.

And yes, for God's sake, ban firearms.

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