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Former democratic party activists are organizing Muslims and Arab-Americans in Swing states to vote against Biden with the demand that he support a ceasefire in Gaza.

I'll allow them a little bit of electoralism this time.

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[–] sloth@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"When you vote for the lesser of two evils what happens? You always get evil, and you always get less" - who knows but I heard it somewhere

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Genocide Joe vs Trump is a debate over whether to drive off a cliff while following the speed limit or at 120 MPH.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

The best possible argument you can make for Biden is that the left isn't organized enough to be endorsing accelerationism

It's not a real good one

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

michael-laugh perfect analogy

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I remember reading something like that from one of the Witcher books from that one Pole writer.

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“Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all.”

― Andrzej Sapkowski, The Last Wish

[–] Venus@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

The point of this quote by Geralt in the story is that Geralt is wrong and using it as an excuse to avoid taking action to protect innocent lives. The result of this stance of his is that he butchers several people in a public square and gets driven out of town and forever labeled "The Butcher of Blaviken." Only a couple pages after this 'evil is evil' monologue he says, verbatim, "We have to choose the lesser evil!"

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Good article. It’s not the main point but I liked this section:

The lie that Obama is Muslim was always code for ​“He’s Black.” But in 2008 liberals couldn’t say that they wouldn’t vote for someone who is Black. Post-racial anti-Blackness had to be more subtle. After seven years of the War on Terror, it was widely accepted that Muslims are subhuman and our lives disposable. So it was easy for people to simply say that they wouldn’t vote for someone who is Muslim.

It never occurred to me - though it’s obvious to me now - that all the accusations of Obama being a Muslim were really just the way white folks were able to launder their unwillingness to accept a black man as president. That’s why they doggedly held on to that belief despite how it was so obviously not true.

[–] ChapoKrautHaus@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

It never occurred to me - though it’s obvious to me now - that all the accusations of Obama being a Muslim were really just the way white folks were able to launder their unwillingness to accept a black man as president.

I think Ta-Nehesi Coates wrote a couple of books about that

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Eh, the people who kept bringing up that he was a muslim, born in kenya, etc were always hardcore chuds who had no problem being abhorrently racist.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

That was the vast majority, yes. But plenty of Hillary primary supporters didn't vote for Obama in the general. And we know plenty of conservative Democrats have, shall we say, some work to do on racial issues, even if they aren't dressing up in white robes on the weekends. That Venn diagram is a circle.

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[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Sorry sweatie, but Trump would commit even more genocide! Vote for diet genocide, Biden 2024!

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Ayoub also posted: ​“This onslaught on Gaza teaches us one VITAL lesson as Arabs and Muslims. The whole ​‘seat at the table’ strategy is a FAILURE. Being token parts of the Democratic Party, ​‘the inside game,’ can’t even deliver a Ceasefire on Gaza. It can’t even slow a Genocide of Palestinians enabled by Biden, Kamala Harris, and the ​‘Diversity & Inclusion’ Democrats who throw Arab and Muslims under the same table they strove to sit at.”

[–] StalinForTime@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The lesser evil argument for Biden is very weird to me because as a non-American it doesn't materially seem better than Trump. Objectively it's been equally bad if not worse, and while not all of that is due to particular features of Trump or the Dems, a think a decent amount is due to how viciously hawkish and shamelessly imperialist the Biden regime has been, from Ukraine to Israel and a lot more in between. Like on the international level I'd argue that Biden has been demonstrably more destructive.

The most convincing 'lesser-evil' argument seems to me to basically be that a Trump presidency would be worse for minorities, for immigrants, non-white people, and LGBT people. Now I agree that they would be more likely to introduce federal-level legislation if they could, but I also haven't seen any real effort by the Biden gov to combat transphobic legislation by fascistic Republicans at the state or local level, or to do anything real for them for that matter. Again LGBT folks and racial minorities are a woke virtue-signalling marketing asset to be invested in for the Dems, as they base their electoral campaigns now no longer on class points, no longer appealing to working class interests (whereas the Republicans have positioned themselves as doing so), but instead appealing to those with college educations. I have comrades who argue that Trump would crack down harder on the left and make it more difficult to organize, but I'm not completely convinced by this. It's not become easier under Biden.

In any event, I don't know how people can make a non-nationalist lesser-evil argument once you've seen Biden literally go on stage with Bibi and give unconditional support to apartheid, settler-colonialism and ethinic cleansing.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Legitimately think it's worse under Biden.

Stopped labor strikes, stopped covid relief (motherfucker still owes me $600), student debt relief is gone, roe is gone, anti Trans laws are way worse, inflation is slowing down but everything's still twice what it cost 2 years ago.

Literally the only difference is when there's a republican president republicans don't do as much to actively pass speople off and dems pretend to care about progressive issues.

When there's a dem president liberals just tell minorities and poor people ro stop complaining because it's making them look bad and republicans do shit to whip up their base that democrats are completely unwilling to oppose.

[–] HorseWithNoName@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

roe is gone,

Ignoring all the other bullshit in your comment, I'm wondering what Biden had to do with a supreme court decision made by judges nominated by the former administration, when scotus decisions can't be appealed or challenged? I'll wait.

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[–] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I can tell ya that my DSA chapter says voting for Biden is a vote for democracyagony-shivering

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