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[–] joneskind@lemmy.world 92 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would like to add that the money Bob gets to buy food returns directly into the economy, thus helping to pay Kevin the mall manager AND Floyd the country boy

[–] Arseniste@sh.itjust.works 68 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It seems Bob needs better lobbyists

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] elfin8er@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Then I guess bob's not affording lobbyists then.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Food either, considering.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ava then we get to party even more money at the pump when they feel like charging more. Despite us subsidizing them.

So let's stop subsidizing oil.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Lol, oil has made certain no one will go after them. Gas prices are the presidents responsibility, apparently. So even if you tried, once the raving lunatics catch wind that rolling coal will cost an extra 100 bucks they lose their God damn minds and you will lose at the polls.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Which is why we need to a) increase electric car and grid potential, to choke them out, and b) increase better public transit with mixed zoning for easy-to-use cities.

While these are definitely big, and by no means easy to accomplish, solutions, they will help us move away from a car centric society that is hamstringed by oil.

Also, maybe some eco terrorists can help, but I'll let them keep me out of the loop.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 33 points 10 months ago

But but but fudge rounds, muh taxes are paying for fudge rounds for poor people that's the problem hurr durr.

[–] FunkyMonk@kbin.social 27 points 10 months ago

Hey I'm sure if we find a reason to look hard enough there is a reason to kick down on Bob, or whatever reason the law needs. Shell makes JOBS, bob just ... ugh... works. Not real 'owner' energy bob.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If Shell stops getting it from the government, they'll just raise prices for us to make up the difference. They won't be hitting their bottom line anytime soon

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If they've been subsidised so much, the company should just be made a public entity rather than just stopping the funding.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The government should demand new shares in return for the subsidies. No subsidization without representation.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 14 points 10 months ago

Yep and if they want to continue to receive subsidies, they're going to have to continue to sell shares, eventually leading to either no more subsidies or complete governmental control of the entire industry. Preferably the latter.

[–] UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is true, but it would help incentivise the country to move away from fossil fuels.

Also worth noting this would drive up the prices of nearly all goods as well since shipping costs would rise.

There are good incentives for fuel subsidizes, but the goverment has failed at having stipulations to gonwith the subsidizes.

Personally, i think they should nationalize the fuel production industry. No one should get rich from a natural resource, especially one that is destorying the planet. Even more so since they have known about it for 70+ years and have been trying to cover it up.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 11 points 10 months ago

Personally, i think they should nationalize the fuel production industry. No one should get rich from a natural resource, especially one that is destorying the planet. Even more so since they have known about it for 70+ years and have been trying to cover it up.

Absolutely! Every industry related to fossil fuels, be it fuel for vehicles, power production or even plastic manufacture and steel smelting, should be nationalized and then phased out as quickly as possible in favor of cleaner and otherwise less hazardous alternatives.

Natural resources, infrastructure and vital base components used in roughly everything should not be owned and controlled by under-regulated for profit entities who will never value long-term or even short term human survival higher than short term profits.

[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 32 points 10 months ago

I thought Americans were all about free market. Other companies and alternatives will come in and undercut shell if that happens.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 31 points 10 months ago

They'll raise prices regardless. The government handouts are just extra profits for what is already one of the most profitable industries in the history of mankind.

[–] unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But shell makes jobs for a million Bobs! And then Bobs are doing something useful for society! /s

[–] porcariasagrada@slrpnk.net 12 points 10 months ago

bob still needs those 1500 in food stamps while working 15h week... the system works, for a few...

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It also bears noting that Shell is not a person

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

In Freedumbland Shell absolutely would be a person.

:(

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 10 months ago

Legally speaking, leider ja. But we don't have to accept that framing just because it says so on the piece of American ~~toilet paper~~ legal parchment that is Citizens United