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[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 70 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Of the type often seen in movies where the body is rotten, no. Dead tissue doesn't move.

However, there are approximations:

For starters there's a type of fungus that hijacks ants, using it to spread its spores into other ants. It can control the ants movement to the point where it will cause the and to go to certain good spore-spread8ng places before the ant is devoured.

Then there's the disease that affects raindeer in some places. I don't remember the illness, but basically the mind goes byebye while the body is left to be controlled by less and less sophisticated parts of the brain, to the point where the animal can do nothing but walk in circles.

[–] Chaser@sopuli.xyz 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The deer one is chronic wasting disease

[–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’ve heard concern of it becoming a pandemic in deer populations and also scientists are worried it’ll spread to people!

Yaaaaaaaaay. 🫠

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s bonkers. It’s resistant to everything, persists after being burned, etc.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

It's wild. Even after a deer with it dies it can remain in the soil for a couple of years. Burning and chemicals doesn't affect it. The prion is just there, hanging out, waiting in the soil and water until another deer comes along and gets it doing normal deer things.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's caused by prions, which are definitely able to infect humans.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Prions are absolutely terrifying

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, those fungi are crazy.

But my money is either on a rabies or toxoplasmosis mutation for the zombie apocalypse.

They wouldn't be the living dead, and I dont think there'd be anything to stop them from attacking each other, but that's be pretty close to zombies.

Just feral humans without higher brain function trying to attack and eat anything they can.

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[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 4 points 10 months ago

I knew the ants would come up

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

Rabies is similar as well.

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[–] Meuzzin@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Undead Zombies? No. I'm no virologist, but I've read about a Rabies variety, or certain fungal infections. Fiction-wise, World War Z, or 28 Days type "zombies", where the body is very much functioning, but the brain has been hijacked...

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Which in theory with any sort of living zombie all you’d need to do is wait out the zombies for a few weeks/months while they inevitably starve to death.

[–] illi@lemm.ee 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

all you’d need to do is wait out the zombies for a few weeks/months

Because wht we learned in the last couple of years is humanity as a whole is totally capable of isolating for a few months without issues

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Feel like watching your neighbor eat the face off of your other neighbor is a little bit more motivation to stay inside than a microscopic virus. Then again, it isn’t the most wise thing to bet against human stupidity

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yeah but what if you run out of toilet paper?

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You couldn't wait them out...

They wouldn't just eat people, they'd eat anything. Lots of chance for cross species transmission which would come back to humans later. It wouldn't just be human to human transmission.

If we get viral zombies, that'd just be something we have to always deal with a little bit for centuries.

Fuck, imagine the balls to go camping knowing some crazy feral human that had been living in the woods for either days or years might be attracted to your fire.

Some antivaxxer CrossFit club gets a breakout and the whole neighborhood is fucked.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I assume they would starve as humans are only good at hunting because of tools. Helpfully we’re not getting the Land of the Dead variety of zombie that is smart enough to use tools.

Oh and exposure would probably get them too

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The weakest would die and the rest would eat them...

It's what happens with locust swarms, you stop moving you become food.

An average person in the woods? Yeah. Probably won't last too long. But it takes a couple weeks to actually starve.

Then animals eat them, and maybe they get infected. Maybe that goes back to humans eventually?

We still have polio outbreaks, something like this wouldn't just die out in a few months, or even years.

Rare cases would keep popping up, and outbreaks will keep happening.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Only carrion animals are going to eat those bodies. Unless they poison a water supply, it'll be fairly limited for it being a hotspot for infection.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

28 day/weeks later had an infected crow drip blood in a guys eyes and infected him...

More animals than you think wouldnt pass up some free meat on the ground.

Birds, oppousms, racoons, wolves/coyotes/dogs, foxes, rodents...

And even more that would scavanege tiny pieces from every kill site.

Mice would honestly be the worse, and most likely.

It's not about them spreading thru attack, just coming into contact with humans.

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What about insects, like mosquitoes or spiders?

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah I can see what you mean. Reminiscent of 28 Weeks Later.

[–] mdhughes@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

THE ECONOMY! Everyone must return to work, despite the very low and acceptable risk of being eaten by zombies, in order to keep our real estate investments worthwhile.

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[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 31 points 10 months ago

the type for brain hijacking definately, as theres a fungus that brainhijacks ants.

the type that that works on dead people, likely not. all viruses and stuff survive by trying to keep their host alive. the ones that kill their host die off quick.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

By definition? No. Don’t listen to any of these, β€œexceptions.” You asked a direct question and the direct answer is no.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We call them Republicans here in the US

[–] _Gandalf_the_Black_@feddit.de 6 points 10 months ago

AfDler in Germany

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes but in a different way than literal. Zombie movies tap into a fear of a real-life monster called The Mob. When people become part of a Mob, they lose their humanity, and will destroy you mindlessly.

Like, if you see an angry mob coming your way, you need to treat it like a zombie situation. And the instinctual, evolved fear of that mob is exactly what zombie movies evoke in us.

[–] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I never saw it like that but it makes sense tbf

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[–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've seen a living zombie hoard before, at a dump in Nicaragua where they lived. I was told they got high on sniffing shoe glue, which literally causes the brain to decay while they're still "alive," but they just shambled around in a big mob, seemingly aimlessly, with glue smeared under their noses.

[–] Xeovar@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

No, until yes.

[–] fleton@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Atypical rabies I would say would be pretty close. Good thing rabies is pretty rare.

[–] jarredpickles87@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

It's all about the optics.

Without the giant check and medical professional presenting it, no one would even know Meredith got hit by a car

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago

The closest that I know of that's known and possible is with a fungus. Possibly a parasite, but probably fungal.

Some parasites, especially those that infect insects, can cause the host to go crazy, for lack of a better word, and "infect" others through bodily fluid transfer. Fungal is similar; IMO, fungal would be my guess since to me, given how large fungal networks and organisms can be, it would be the most likely candidate to adapt to the size and scale required to control a human.

However, it is unlikely. There's a pretty slim margin between being infectious enough to be viable and so infectious the host dies before there can be any useful progression of the disease. It's just a very fine line.

Depending on what version of zombies you're thinking of, it may be more, or less zombie-like. In the case of the walking dead? No. Not really possible. Maybe in a million years, caused by nano scale machines, where the machines more or less use your corpse as meat armor... But that's a very long way from becoming a reality. The "real zombies would be more like possessed living people, still vulnerable to the same dangers as other living humans. If you shoot them, they will die. They wouldn't be super strong, maybe mildly more strong than they were when they were living, simply based on the fact that we tend to hold ourselves back a bit when it comes to our strength because we want to avoid damaging ourselves too much during the effort.... "Zombies" wouldn't have those concerns so they may be stronger, but not so significantly that it would matter all that much.

Skin appearance may be affected due to the infection and may cause the flesh to appear sticky.

Since most higher brain functions would be suppressed, tactics and planning would not be possible, or at least, extremely limited, and most advanced skills would also be unavailable (working tools or machinery). There would also be very little in terms of language skills, if any.

Since the infected would have the primary goal of spreading the infection, they likely wouldn't eat or sustain themselves in any meaningful way, leading to death in a matter of days, maybe a week or so, at most. Zombies would probably smell of human excrement, since the infected wouldn't be concerned about where they relieve themselves and likely just piss or shit right in their pants as the need arises.

TL:DR: they would be far shorter lived and far less dangerous than seen on TV but it's possible that a parasite or fungus could invoke such tenancies

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 10 points 10 months ago

Which version? If all you need is an uncoordinated, dopey person, I'm right here. /s

If undeath is required, no. It's not even a concept that makes much sense without mind-body dualism, which is all but ruled out scientifically.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago

If this stuff sarts infecting humans yes. .

As with other versions, it's not impossible but the zombie is unlikely to he viable more than a couple weeks, as decomposition doesn't stop.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but not quite like the movies.

There is a parasite (I forget the name) that, when it infects a person (or a warm-blooded animal) starts living off the host and storing energy in sacs around the infection point. It often presents itself as tumours, as the sacs can get quite large. Between the sacs there is a voltage difference, it's stored as chemical energy (like a battery with one side less electrons to allow for electron flow).

In severe cases, the parasite has had long enough to grow it's own nerve pathways through the body that can be used like wires. At that point, the tumours are really advanced and enlarged and will usually kill the victim, if not before.

In an effort to spread itself to the next host, the parasite uses the stored chemical energy to activate muscles in the dead host and move the body around to find another host to infect. That's where the whole 'eating flesh' thing in the movies come from, but it's actually the parasite trying to break the skin and be able to jump to a new victim.

In reality, this stage only lasts a few hours but as long as the muscles haven't deteriorated too much, it can be any 'few hours' movement within a couple days of death if the parasite is unable to immediately reinfect and instead waits for a period of time.

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[–] Saigonauticon@voltage.vn 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If we set aside Hollywood for a moment to talk about something unexpected... this is a completely serious and rather interesting subject of study:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie

My position on the matter is that it is quite easy to design systems that are to some degree "intelligent" (for most definitions of intelligence), without possessing qualia (consciousness, subjective experience). Several such systems exist, and you have probably heard of them!

Moreover, I think many natural persons can be intelligent without being conscious, at least sometimes. I think many people have this experience when working on difficult problems, e.g. programming.

For Hollywood-style zombies? I would start with chemistry rather than biology. There are many substances that can alter our mood, body control, aggression, and consciousness. Find a mix that creates the effect you want, and create an implant (or make it an addictive drug mixture). Probably the result would be less consistent than hollywood-style zombies. It would not be contagious though.

Or if sci-fi, insert genes into a living person that encodes a system to internally synthesize the drug mix.

Edit: Something that makes most people into shuffling drones? Increases aggression? Spreads like a disease? A cynical answer would be that we have invented that already. We call it "capital".

[–] BlanK0@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, biologically speaking there is a fungus that can control and takeover ants body.

Source: https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=vijGdWn5-h8

[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Except that fungus can’t live in high temperatures that are inside a human body… at least, not ones we know about right now…

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[–] VanHalbgott@lemmus.org 6 points 10 months ago

Not that great a post, huh?

[–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 4 points 10 months ago

The US military has a plan (namely CONOP 888) to defend against zombies. Also here is the Wikipedia page if you don't want to read the actual plan.


Also because this was a serious question I shall note that zombies (at least the traditional kind) does not exist. Plan 888 was exclusively used for training purposes and was not intended as an actual defence plan.

[–] DonDino@mujico.org 3 points 10 months ago

Half of murica has being brain dead since long ago

[–] MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

I don't think rabies would create the zombie like behaviour in humans even with a bunch of mutation. Rabies causes fear and confusion, many animals will bite when they are afraid because that's how they fight, but humans typically not bite as a weapon, we use our hands...

Maybe it would be some kind of fungi mutation that when it infects the nervous system and mess with GABA (gamma aminobutyric acid) and some other stuff... This can change aggressive behaviour in humans, and even though I am not an expert and don't understand the mechanisms beyond superficial level, I wouldn't find it strange if some fungi evolved to make humans feral.

Transmission would probably be through the skin or some other vector of infection that isn't a bite.

As for zombies not attacking each other... It's possible that there would be a pheromone that zombies release that make them less aggressive towards each other... But I'd imagine this would take time before this variabt pops off. If I were to write a book with this premise, humans would artificially produce this pheromone to reduce their risk of being attacked by zombies.

With global temperatures rising, it's reasonable to expect a lot more fungal infections to become the biggest global health concern. Fungi would evolve to survive in human body temperatures faster than we can develop anti-fungal drugs.

I'm thinking less hoards of zombies and more people gradually becoming more aggressive and becoming feral maybe months after initial exposure to the fungi... People becoming terrified of being around other people, and paranoid. Imagine you've had a heated argument with someone and you don't know if it means they are infected, or maybe you are infected. Imagine someone convinced that someone is infected and decides to shoot them... This would be a psychological horror story I would love to read.

[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Scopolamine is a truth drug that renders people highly suggestive, unable to lie, and unable to lay down memories whilst under its influence.

Close to zombified.

Has been used in Colombia and South America.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/devils-breath-scopolamine-burundanga

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I thought this was debunked as fear mongering?

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[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

sure, but ones immune to bullets? nope, theyd just be rotting flesh

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