I've seen it twice, I thought it was really fucking funny, me and my friends were cracking up basically the whole show. I do think they should've been harder on capitalism, of course, I thought it leaned way too hard into girlboss territory.
Still waiting for a quality torrent. Not paying shit to Hollywood.
https://myflixerz.to/watch-movie/barbie-693.9766228 Its ok I guess, quality is in the eye of the beholder I suppose but here it is. Edit:make sure to X out the popups
Thanks, torrent galaxy have tscreens from the release day but I prefer to wait for the stream/dvd rip.
this is where i watched it. i thought the music was a little hard to hear the lyrics but pretty good considering its a recording of the screen. the video quality was great.
Haven't seen it, don't plan to, don't care to tbh.
But having talked to some people about it, this is my takeaway: "Messaging" is simply a new tool of marketing, especially "subversive" messaging. You're not buying a car - you're committing a revolutionary act of activism against climate change and fossil capitalism. You're not buying an ethically farmed, grass-fed, local steak, you're fighting animal cruelty and big farming lobbies with your consumption. You're not simply dressing up skandidly in pink to watch a multi-hundred million dollar Hollywood production of Barbie produced and approved of by its parent company, giving new legitimacy to that old rubber toy franchise and boosting sales numbers. You're totally subverting gender roles and criticizing capitalism by doing so.
Imo you're not. You're just buying a new car, munching another steak and going to the movies again promoting one of the most famous IPs of all time. It's the same thing we've done our entire lives. Changing the messaging around the act without changing the act, doesn't change the act. You're just doing the thing.
There can't be anything really subversive coming out of the hegemonic culture industry. By the very nature of its production, via the commodification it undergoes, it has already become toothless and assimilated. Neoliberal anti-capitalism is just the newest sales-pitch. It's along the lines of "diverse" CIA targeting officer recruitment ads. Just like capitalism can't produce true anti-war movies, it can't produce anti-capitalist or real anti-gender-role movies. It would be self-defeating if it did.
That being said, if you enjoy it more power to you. Nobody needs a grand narrative of subversion and messaging to go see and enjoy a movie at the theater. If you get something deeper out of it, even better.
I could not have said it better myself. We need to be much more critical especially of media that purports to have some kind of "radical" or "subversive" message because i guarantee you, if it's made it to the mainstream it most certainly does not. Products made by big corporations may carry superficially anti-corporate messages but in reality they just serve to reinforce consumerism by getting people to believe that by consuming they are doing something radical.
I agree, those who wanna watch it and enjoy it should do so without feeling bad about themselves or feeling especially accomplished for doing so
completely agree with this take, it's just more consumer activism/voting with your dollar bs.
OP literally asked "Who saw it" and you respond "Haven't seen it, don't plan to, don't care tbh" and then give an opinion...
Unreal.
Because OP literally only asked who's seen it all the answers here are plain yes/no ay?
This "you have to experience something to comment on it" is liberal individualism anyway. I don't have to be a farmer to comment on the impact of climate change on farming or climate change more broadly.
You'd have a point if I had commented on the movie's writing, aesthetic, picture, acting performances, score, etc. But I didn't. I made a general point about the nature of cultural products under capitalism and the laws that govern this movie as much as any other.
If you haven’t seen it and don’t care about it, then how are you able to discuss anything within the movie and give your opinion on its content?
Imagine a film critic giving his opinion and in the end saying “I actually didn’t watch the movie”.
You are just formulating an opinion based off of what you’ve heard other people say, and it comes across as pretty foolhardy and arrogant.
The farmer example is also not applicable at all, because that’s still something you can research and find data on independently. You can’t independently gather data or an opinion on a movie. Unless you read the plot summary I guess, but that competently destroys the point of it being a movie.
No investigation, no right to speak.
And no, reading the plot summary or watching a YouTube analysis isn’t investigation.
I watched the 45 minutes long Ben Shapiro video, can I criticize the movie?
That is excellent investigation comrade. Everyone knows that Comrade Shapiro's analyses are so bulletproof and awe inspiring and you don't even need to watch the movie after listening to him.
Eh, had a response for you but clearly by your post history it would have been a waste of time. You don't get it and you won't. Take care.
You can make this same statement, which I don't disagree with, about every film. It's technically correct, which is the more boring kind of correct. Since most Normans are not at that point on the ideological world view scale, the movie exists in a whole different context for them. I think giving the Norman cultural context, this movie is subversive by that standard. It exists in a state of equilibrium between corporate revisionism and subversive cultural critique. Any tip of the scale in one direction or the other leads to either a vapid mass market blockbuster or a wildly unwatchable but biting satire that no one bothers to see.
We could discuss those ideas, but I think you would need to see the film in order to critique it for it's content. Otherwise, we can return to the time honored traditions and write long winded shibboleths back and forth to each other, like two squawking crows at dawn, broadcasting our belief systems to the greater murder, without really saying anything of substance.
Yeah I saw it.
It's good. And worth watching. But there are so many people on social media saying this is going to be revolutionary for the feminist cause.
You're right about the corporate puff piece part. And the rehabilitation of Ruth Handler's image like she was anything other than a cynical capitalist whose creation played a huge part in calcifying the concept of gender roles in generations of children that came after her.
Mattel signed off on the movie. It exists with their permission and approval. They are not going to start or enable a cultural revolution against their own interests, and if they reinvent themselves so that it is in their own interests, they'll be doing it for profit, not for the liberation of women.
But fuck if anyone will listen to the skeptic's take. This thread is the first discussion I've come across where saying negative things about the movie (not even saying it's bad, just criticizing) doesn't result in a dogpiling of misogyny accusations.
The face of feminism in 2023 is a fictional character and it's copyright belongs to Mattel.
I'm going to see it this Friday at a local, independent cinema. I don't know how revolutionary it will be, but I have heard several men saying they had a reality check because of the movie. So it's doing something positive, I guess?
I did the same. I saw it at a local independent cinema. The audio quality could be better, but they have big comfy leather recliners so the tradeoff is worth it for this type of movie imo.
In order to be a success, this movie just had to be funny. It succeeds. They do try and shove a message in your face at the end. I found this to be awkward and it didn't really fit in with the theme of the rest of the movie, but it wasn't so egregious that it ruined it.
God damn fantastic film. Say what you will about the capitalist motivations/backings, but visual narratives are often the most accessible to the general populace. It's not a revolutionary creation, but it is fun, well executed, and it might get people to pause and take an extra moment to consider the position women hold in North American society.
Now we can watch as capitalism fucks it all by taking the completely wrong message from the success of the film and creating a flood of low-effort remakes in the so called 'Mattel Cinematic Universe'. Catchy soundtrack though.
I watched it a while ago and had fun, but the barbies literally vote patriarchy away, so it's just your harmless liberal "feminism" piece.
I need to get me a mojo dojo casa house.
Seriously though, i'm trans, I know what male privilege is, and I saw the effects of giving it up. The movie is certainly on point in that regard.
i only saw the first 30 minutes so far but i rly liked it. funny and quick and bright and interesting (barbie is suddenly worried about death even tho shes in 'barbie dreamland'? fun)
Found the mf who was texting in front of me at the cinema
I haven’t seen it yet but my friends and I are planning on a Barbenheimer double feature, I’m looking forward to it since I’ve heard a lot of good things.
You'll have fun, for sure. I'm interested in Oppenheimer but I have a strong feeling it's very revisionist and likely wreaks of character rehabilitation. I'm sure it'll be a gorgeous film.
I don’t know much about Oppenheimer the guy but people seem to be split online about the movie; some say it’s sympathetic to Oppenheimer while others say it’s critical. All I know is that Einstein is in it and there’s nude scenes.
My brain read this as Einstein sex scenes and I am all for it.
I think the first scene is a sex scene
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