I foresee them making a comeback as more and more people realize that streaming services are terrible.
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Media-bound formats are even more terrible though. File-based ones are much superior for longevity.
Agree that video files burned on blu ray would be ideal :D
Jokes aside: physical, unchangeable media do make sense imo.
Apart from the "advantage" for the vendor in copy protection, where do physical, unchangeable media make sense? Particularly in terms of long-term use of the data on there. That basically ties the lifetime of the data to the lifetime of the physical object and also prevents backups.
Iβm not sure I understand you correctly. Unchangeable media has several upsides:
- no virus or person without physical access can corrupt or destroy the data
- even if inserted, nothing can change it
- physical media can still be copied and backed up by any and all other means
I do accept that without programs to bypass copy protection, commercial movie discs are kind of a problem. Still, I dont see a problem of using burned discs as a long term storage device.
Okay, we might have been talking about different things. I am basically saying formats like video DVD, BluRay,... have no advantage over the same medium with a file on there that you can easily copy to a new one if necessary. Linking the format of the content to the medium itself is a bad idea.
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But the people who release BRs are either the same people selling streaming subscriptions, or will be bought up by them. For example, Disney is no longer releasing BRs anymore.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirateβs life for me.
Unless I can buy a BluRay, Iβm not paying for a movie.
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Keep your physical media. Don't be Charlie Brown assuming the football will be there every time.
Better yet, digitally back up your physical media in multiple locations because no media lasts forever, especially optical Media.
There are problems with physical medium as well. My father and I enjoy physical CDs, in my opinion they are the best. Yet my father's collection is over 20 years old so disks are degrading. My collection was destroyed during a house break in, they threw them on the floor and stomped on them, fucking hooligans. So I stopped with physical media such as CDs due to this
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The most realistic answer is - as long as movie studios deem it to be profitable to continue releasing them. I think there will always be niche companies like Criterion that will release physical media. I mean, vinyl LPs are still being produced to this day, so really itβs all about demand.
Personally, I am surprised that DVD format has lasted as long as it has, in regards to current technology. The majority of TVs available today are 4K, to which 4K UHD Blu-rays match the native resolution. 4K UHD is 4x the resolution of a standard Blu-ray(1080p), which are over 4x the resolution of DVDs (480p). So, they are really quite outdated/obsolete unless you still have an older 1080p or 720p TV and have a good player with upscaling.
I still remain unconvinced that 4k is really all that hot though. I prefer projecting onto my living room wall and anything above 1080 is pretty much imperceptibly different at a distance... Most families have a similar distance setup and 4k isn't anything but a label at that distance.
Large 4k monitors that you're going to sit right in front of can definitely be appreciated but for movies I think 4k is already over the retina density.
Try making a Microsoft Paint image with a single pixel wide line, and then offset it by one pixel halfway through. Then put that up and see how far back you need to sit to see the break merge into a single line.
There's also some interesting tricks that emulator writers are working on for using those extra pixels to make more CRT-like effects on modern displays.
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So DVD 1080 torrents are upscaled? I didn't realize DVDs were so low resolution.
NTSC formatted DVD is 720x480
PAL formatted DVD is 720x576
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DVD is "good enough" for a lot of people.
Especially when you factor in the distance/screen size ratios that the average house uses (and that not everyone is watching with perfect vision).
Also, good quality SD content, shot on good lenses, still looks pretty damned good. Sure, you're not going to get the same level of fine detail.
My Name Is Earl is a good example of this.
BluRay has evolved a few times since being released. The storage capacity keeps going up, which allows for 4K & 3D discs to be made.
DVD got replaced because it couldn't hit the 1K mark. There was SuperBit DVDs, but they didn't catch on. The picture size was still limited to 720p.
BluRay still has a lot of life left in it. It will be a long time before the market demands 8K recordings. And will there even be physical media for movies and TV by then?
On the other hand BluRay really came too late to become popular as a data storage medium. Outside movie enthusiasts there aren't really a lot of users of the format so player hardware will likely not benefit from corporate customers as much to extend its lifetime.
DVDs were also commonly used as external data storage prior to flash storage becoming the predominant method. Anyone still have their spindle of dvds with a Win XP backup lying around?
Blu-ray doesn't have that advantage. The only major commercial applications it has been used for is movies and games, and games are already breeching the size that even a 4k blu-ray can hold, and have long since required faster data transfer speeds than blu-ray is capable of(this is why even with physical games, the game has to be installed to the console)
Why not just put the movies on a SD card? The price is similar and the card is smaller. That's what games do now, right?
Retention, or the lack thereof, when cold-stored.
In term of SD or standard NAND, not even Nintendo does that. Nintendo builds Macronix XtraROM in their Game Card, which is some proprietary Flash memory with claimed 20 year cold storage retention. And they introduced the 64 GB version only after a lengthy delay, in 2020. So it seems that the (lack of) cold storage performance of standard NAND Flash is viewed by some in the industry as not ready for prime time. Macronix discussed it many years back in a DigiTimes article: https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120713PR201.html.
And Sony and Microsoft are both still building Blu-ray-based consoles.
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I'm eagerly awaiting the demise of Blu-Ray so I can finally get use of my HD-DVD player.
Nah, HD-VMD is gonna make a big comeback I tell ya
How about those Universal Media Discs (UMDs) used on everything from the PlayStation Portable to the PlayStation Portable
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They are coming back like vinyl. Zoomers are realizing streaming plarforms can pull the plug
It occurs to me that I could totally put a short movie on a vinyl record. It would display "buffering" for quite a while though.
The concept of vinyl still blows my mind... The fact that you can recreate every possible combination of sounds and etch it in grooves on a thin piece of plastic, then you can drag a needle across those grooves to hear the sound combinations again...
How does a person even create something like that? It's mind blowing.
Vinyl does have significant limitations in what sound it can produce, especially in terms of dynamic range. Wikipedia has a good breakdown of analog vs digital recording.
While digital is not perfect, itβs generally better in every regard that humans can physically perceive. That said, people will always romanticize physical things of the past, be it confirmation bias, survivorship bias of good examples, or just enjoying the ritual of physical interacting with a thing.
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From where I sit physical media is experiencing a huge surge in popularity. So I think bluray is here to stay, and will see more usage in the coming years.
They are hardly anywhere now.. Best Buy is phasing out their remaining physical movie sections this year.
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You just made me notice that my laptop doesn't even have a DVD.
It's why god invented external drives. :)
I'm going to assume you understand the most basic principals of our mode of production, so I'll give you an educated guess as to when, not why, since that's the question you asked.
In 2034, if we follow the DVD timeline. However if it's the only remaining physical media used by distributors, I'd guess it lasts decades longer.
I hope we graduate (or revert, depending on how you look at it) to tape, as collectors would be better off with a medium that's built to last.
Why do you say Blu ray isn't made to last compared to tape? I would think it was the reverse
Oh, you're right. I looked it up and some of these archival blu-rays are claiming they can outlast tape, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC
Now I'm going to have to look at what an M-DISC burner would cost and compare it to my aws glacier bill.
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Yesterday I was happy to own lots of Blurays because my internet was down.
Well, there's the ultra-hd bluray that seems to be trucking along fine, and regular bluray is still chugging along well enough for studios to be releasing them.
But, they'll get phased out either right beetle before they start failing to make profit, and/or when the various entities of the movie industry figure out a way to force people into their streaming services. Now, I don't see them making laws happen that require us to subscribe, but it is possible that they could manage to shut down enough alternatives that a majority of people that are convinced they need access to shows and movies to get through life that there's no other way. At which point, the final nail would be eradicating new physical media.
But, as long as they can make profit from both physical and streamed media, they'll keep milking them both.
The problem is that the market isn't there to phase them out. Streaming and digital purchases have filled in most of the consumer demand that physical media would. There may not be the market for a Blu-ray replacement the same way there was for DvD.
There is also the question of whether optical media would be the preferred medium. An SD Card may be preferred over an optical drive, especially as it is more space efficient in a lot of different types of devices.
Not until there's an 8K standard and 8K players.
I hate the DRM, and I haven't bought a single one.. But, the bitrate on BD's is higher than streaming services, so its actually better for fast action scenes (where streaming services are more likely to appear blocky)
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It's well on its way there already. Many large stores are already choosing not to sell them (Best Buy, you suck). I will always purchase the Blu-Rays though as long as I can. I would never trust my movie collection to the studios or streaming services.
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