You want to defederate from the largest Lemmy instance, the poster child, and the mascot of Lemmy? Good luck. They are Lemmy now.

I really feel like everyone is letting their emotions and ideologies run the narrative here. Lemmy.world was already defederated with Hexbear, everyone was. What they are doing is choosing to remain defederated once Hexbear federates. And that is perfectly within their rights. Until we get better moderation tools and the ability block instances at the user level I can completely understand why the admin and mods don't want to deal with potential issues. Maybe once we all have better tools then we can try playing nice together. This is the same reasoning Beehaw took and I think it makes sense in this case as well.

Why though? They've done nothing worthy of defederation, they're simply trying to maintain their standard of quality. And they are a HUGE INSTANCE.

Extremists are always going to get pigeonholed by the rest of the network that doesn't want to see that shit filling up their All page and infiltrating their comments.

I disagree with lemmy.world's decision, for three reasons:

1. Address problems as they appear - negligence is bad, but so is jumping at the gun.
2. Locking users out because they're misbehaving is different than locking them out under the assumption that they'll misbehave.
3. Given that lemmy.world is a generic purpose instance, odds are that it would work better by letting users sort themselves out, and only intervene on problems when it is not reasonable to expect users to do so.

I also think that lemmy.world's current size in comparison with other instances is a bit problematic. It's great to see instances growing but it would be better if said growth was spread out.

Just my two cents, mind you. I'm from neither instance.

I googled this to find the drama and the first link is to their fucking cth community lol

you don't get to be edgelord shitposters and then complain when people don't let you come over to kick their sandcastles down anymore

Defederation should always be seen as last solution and should not be a preemptive action.

I'm out of the loop: What's the deal with Hexbear?

Instances can defederate whenever they want, but skimming the sidebar and announcements, it's weirder to me that lemmy.world is still federated with lemmygrad, which seems to be very similar to hexbear.

Anyone have any insight into the difference between lemmygrad and hexbear?

Adding to what others have said, opposing viewpoints are GOOD. Well reasoned opinions should be encouraged. I don't want to end up in another curated echo chamber built by someone else. Add the tools for users to block an instance and for blocks to work better in general. Give us the tools to decide our content. Leave the curation up to the users.

Otherwise you'll just end up with everyone spinning up their own instance and building a million individual echo chambers(tho it wouldn't be bad if there were more instances lol)

Interesting that the top comment is this:

Not in favour of this. I chose Lemmy.world because I wanted an instance that would federate even with people I might disagree with. If it's illegal and abusive, sure. But to defederate on ideological grounds? I was planning a recurring donation but this makes me consider setting up my own instance. They're welcome to whatever discussions they want to have on their instance. As long as they respect the rules of other instances when they're here, then everybody wins. As for their point about dismantling western propaganda - if they have documented sources then let's have a conversation. It's not like there isn't western propaganda

I don't remember which episode, but the podcast blocked and reported described exactly that that is what's going to happen to the fediverse. Sad.

(found it. The conversation is about mastodon and starts at 43:30)

Why are all the instances defederating each other?

I'm conflicted with lemmy.world's decision to defederate with them.

In theory I disagree with them because I think open discussion is always better than silencing or deplatforming.

Of course it's a bit different with activists who are not looking for an honest discussion, only to further their ideology.

Also, getting a swarm of tankies will not make the instance a fun place and will probably make me switch to another one who defederated with them.

I don't mind people whom I disagree with, I'll gladly talk with both libertarians and communists, but in my eyes tankies are the same as neonazies.

It would be very funny ngl