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[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 158 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I don't care what religion it is, I just want more holidays

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 39 points 10 months ago

How about holidays because humans are living, breathing, thinking, emoting beings that need decent food, shelter, rest and recreation? The closing of businesses on at least one weekend day need not be religious. If we run oit for a day or two, we get some from a neighbor or are just out for a day or two?

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

hear me out, i may be less for adding more religious holidays.

this is based on trying to use b and h as a professional service. they close for EVERY Jewish holiday. there's so many of them. so many more then Christian holidays that others close for. AND they still close for those Christian holidays.

it makes them unpredictable and hard to use. if they also started taking off Muslim holidays they'd be closed every 2 days... that's just too much. i don't think we as a society can afford to take that many holidays.

it's very hard to explain to you boss why we have to delay because the partner we're contracted with is closed until Monday because of a holiday that your boss has never heard of.

[–] GabrielBell12fi@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This would be my argument for allowing people of various religions to take their religious holidays, but not require everyone to take them (if they don't want to).

So (and these will all be hypothetical because my knowledge of holidays across various religions is pretty poor -- sorry) :-

Imagine there are four main religions in the UK -- Potterism, Everdinery, Swannism and Sherlockian.

Potterism celebrates the 31st of July, 31st of October, the 2nd of May, the 1st of September and the 19th of September as its holy days.

Everdinery celebrates the 10th of March, the 20th of May, the 31st of August, the 9th of January and the 5th of July.

Swannism celebrates the 3rd to the 5th of May, the 10th of August, the 12th of September and the 12th of December.

And Sherlockian celebrates the 1st of February, the 9th of March, the 12th of June, the 24th of September and the 10th of October.

Along with all these, all four religions celebrate the 31st of December, the 1st of January and the 23rd of August. Just because.

(Really making this up as I ago along).

The celebrants of each religion can take their days off as a holiday (without using up their paid holiday allowance), but businesses do not have to close. Bank holidays become a thing of the past.

Schools ignore them, and school holidays are arranged around more sensible times (summer holidays, spring holidays, winter holidays).

Religion is taken out of public life more or less altogether.

Now I accept that in "real life" this will be more complicated, but businesses can adapt for Jewish, Muslim, Christian and other workers and would not need to shut down on such a wide scope

The only exception might still be Christmas, because that has become more of a secular thing than a religious one.

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[–] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I want a whole fucking week off like India, how come they get to do that and we can't?

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[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 81 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

My da hosts a Bible study group in their home, and recently I glanced at a booked they were going through called "The War on Christianity" or some shit like that. I just gave a short laugh and said "Oooooh, you poor oppressed Christians!" before my mother gave me "the look" that said "I know how you feel, but please don't start shit right now."

These people have no idea what oppression is. They think that people having negative opinions of Christianity is "oppression". They think that folks fighting for abortion rights is "oppression" against Christians. They think that folks telling them that they gave no intention to get involved in their religion is "oppression".

They are still allowed to gather freely, to hold positions of power, own homes and businesses, proselytize, protest, etc.

They're just mad that they're finally being called out for their harmful, hateful, and bigoted viewpoints. It's "oppression" because they can't force everyone else to follow their rules.

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

100%. Very similar to "the war on men" or "the war on white people".

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[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Christmas is a European pagan tradition, really we base our holidays around seasons of which due to the importance of them also feature many religious events.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 47 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I hate that argument because the reason why it's still celebrated isn't the pagan origin but its appropriation by the Christian Church.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Except for like all the places still celebrating Yule, imbolc, halloween. If Christianity never genocided its way across Europe, we’d still be celebrating at these times with many of the same customs.

Plus if we let the Christian’s get away with stealing everything, we’d have nothing left.

But you’re right, we can do more to remove religion from government.

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[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

I'd argue the reason it's still celebrated is capitalism. Easter is more important in most Christian traditions than Christmas, but less celebrated in society. Why? Follow the money trail. Ask Coca Cola, the modernizer of Santa Claus.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

On the other hand its turned into a decedant festival of feasting and alcohol so the pagans kind of won on that one. Which is also the reason for celebrating it for all the non-christians that do.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

Just because it was appropriated doesn't mean the original meaning is lost.

[–] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Jeff dyed for your shins!

Specifically, he made these:

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[–] God_Is_Love@reddthat.com 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The Muslim Christian comparison doesn't really hold up, holy days they actually get off happen 2-3 times a year but Muslims have to pray five times a day every day. I would hope if a Christian or any other religion (or heck non religious students who need a mindfulness break) would be respected for a prayer break. Otherwise it would be unfair.

That said more holidays sounds great so by all means give us the Muslim ones off of school too 😎

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Christians by the bible and old customs are also supposed to pray in the morning noon and evening. Thats why the churches ring the bell at those times.

So it is only by not taking their religion all too serious anymore that christians dont ask for their noon prayer.

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (5 children)

There seems to be a misunderstanding here. I assume you're referring to Psalm 55. Psalm 55:16-19 (NLT):

But I will call on God,
and the Lord will rescue me.
Morning, noon, and night
I cry out in my distress,
and the Lord hears my voice.
He ransoms me and keeps me safe
from the battle waged against me,
though many still oppose me.
God, who has ruled forever,
will hear me and humble them.

That's not a mandate, it's a description of how often David prayed. But there is a mandate in 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18:

Always be joyful. Never stop praying. Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you who belong to Christ Jesus.

God is always listening, and He doesn't like it when prayers (as in people who pray) babble just to check boxes. The same almost certainly applies to scheduled prayers. If there's a legitimate purpose, there's nothing wrong with that, but praying just because it's praying time doesn't make sense. Especially since we're supposed to keep the comms open all the time anyways.

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[–] GabrielBell12fi@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (7 children)

You are missing the point.

Easter this year is the 31st of March.

The ENTIRE COUNTRY (the UK this is) will be forced to SHUT DOWN for the weekend, whether they are Christian or not. Banks. Businesses. Everything will close for the entire weekend.

But wait -- it gets worse.

The school year is split into three terms -- Winter, Spring and Summer. And because Easter is so early (because a bunny looked at a gopher's shadow or something) the Spring term starts in January (with the New Year) and ends on the 24th of March (I think). That's barely enough time to get kids settled in their classes. Then the summer term is like A BILLION WEEKS LONG because Easter is so early.

Then


when Easter is a lot later -- you get the two bank holidays in May (one of which is religious, one of which isn't) that fuck up the summer term and make it almost not worth going back for the one week before you are off again.

This is entirely because of Christian holy days

And on top of all this there is the fact we still keep "Sunday special" -- a day that only one religion gives a crap about. Thankfully we are getting over that and starting to treat Sunday like every other day of the week. But if you ask most people they think it should still be "a rest day" because it is Sunday.

This entire country bends over backwards to accommodate Christianity in everything it does, and yet the Little Englanders always feel Christians are hard-done by.

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[–] EnragedKnight117@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

For daily prayers, yes that is a daily occurance. We pray 5 times a day but only the afternoon prayers are something we'd need to take a break for.

But you can work around it and you might only need to take a 5 minute break once a day. So like the post and you have mentioned it's not that much of an interruption.

However, Fridays are a different story. We have to go our sermon which might be an hour so. In the US Saturday+Sundays are off so that's not something that would interfere with a work/school schedule. Personally, in our high school we held our own prayers after school on Fridays. But I know for a fact that didn't work for all my Muslim peers.

Holidays are another issue, we'd need to take 2 days off a year to observe our holidays. I wouldn't go as far as so say this is systemic oppression. You just get an excused absence or use pto lol.

Where it would become a problem is if your requests to take off work/school were to be denied. But thankfully that isn't usually an issue in the US.

Besides, in some school districts non-Christian holidays are starting to become recognized and may already be off.

Overall there is a consistent minor friction causes by daily schedule differences. And especially in school a student may never even ask for accommodations for fear of being "different". Even though when you ask generally when you ask you will be accommodated.

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (15 children)

Or, you know, none of that bullshit? We could just let it slip back into the primordial muck with superstition and shitting into our bare hands... But, no. We like our invisible sky daddies and not being collectively intelligent. 🫥

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

shitting into our bare hands

That might have been just you, no one else was doing that

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Say this when it's a country's primary religion on the line, not when some minorities want equal rights for their religions.

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[–] GabrielBell12fi@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

invisible sky daddies

Oh I am definitely using this phrase from now on. I've been using "imaginary friends" until now, but this is SO much better :)

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[–] FreeFacts@sopuli.xyz 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Isn't Hanukkah more comparable to something like Pentecost in importance instead of Christmas? Meaning, not important at all to most of the modern day practioners. And the only reason why it is brought up so much is because it happens to somewhat coincide with Christmas so people can be inclusive with their happy holiday wishes.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Hanukkah isn't an important religious holiday, but it is an important cultural one. Partly because it's adjacent to Christmas (for north american Jews at least) and partly because the story occurred later on in Jewish history compared to much of the Holy texts.

I don't know anyone who takes days off work for Hanukkah, most just want to be home for sun down to light the candles.

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