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English usage and grammar

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I haven’t seen people misspelling advice, or misunderstanding chest of drawers.

Is this in reference to something?

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I constantly see people asking for "advise." It's a pet peeve, I will admit. I also frequently hear people saying "draws" instead of drawers. Sorry for my venting, I will see myself out.

[–] jadero@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In some accents and dialects, "draws" is exactly what you get, so it's not any more of a mispronunciation than "terlet" for "toilet" or any of thousands of other cases.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

The issue isn't how it's pronounced. The issue is how it's then spelled based on embarrassing guesswork never corrected.

And I blame the community for that. No one said "Marlon, what the fuck is a 'terlet', and did you pay attention when we were in school together?"

You can pronounce the letters how your neighbourhood, region, cult or clique dictates; just write them correctly.

#butEnglishEvolvesBecausePopularKids people can fuck themselves.

[–] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

It's laziness. Any text program worth using marks that usage as a grammar error. People are ignoring the blue underline. There's nothing you can do about people who ignore the blue underline.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Gotcha. I just didn’t understand what you were even venting about!

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

At least as often as "advise" in place of "advice," I see people asking for "advices."

(I haven't seen issues with "chest of drawers" or even "drawers" though.)

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 months ago

We don't need no education

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago

People often say this as a way to dismiss concerns about the degradation of concise language in English.

Evolution is a result of survival of the fittest; it almost always improves survivability amongst a certain population. That's the opposite of what's happening in this case; a word is losing a concise meaning, making the language more difficult for everyone, as now "advise" can be either a verb or a noun. Nobody benefits from changes like this.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ah. Popular kids dictate what goes into the dictionary of popular mistakes. That's why Mirriam-Webster claims 'literally' also means its exact opposite.

Systems of language need to be sound and complete; and the English that includes that self-contradiction fails on point 1. While we can dig out other failures, maybe we can correct those too.

'Emails' is a particular embarrassment for the speaker.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

That's why Mirriam-Webster claims 'literally' also means its exact opposite.

Just like "really", "truly", "absolutely", "actually", "genuinely", "honestly", "surely", "totally", "verily"...

It's just a type of vernacular inflation. It may be happening more quickly than it used to because people are communicating more and thus have more opportunities for "one-upping" each other with amplifying adjectives but it's (literally/metaphorically?) a force of nature (maybe both).

Overstatement is a very common rhetorical device, it doesn't usually cause confusion.

Obviously people should choose different amplifiers when saying "literally" is likely to cause confusion, but people shouldn't be chided if they say "literally" in a sentence where it's obvious what they mean.