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[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 400 points 8 months ago

I work in financial reporting, so I have a decent idea of what makes up things like operating profit/loss and Adjusted EBITDA.

This does not look good for Reddit and if the company only managed a $90.8m loss after jacking up API costs, nuking virtually every third-party client, backstabbing every power mod, giving alternatives like Lemmy and Kbin an actual user base and selling off user data to Google, then I fully expect things to get a lot worse on the site.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 142 points 8 months ago

I don't know how in the hell they let it go as wrong as they did. They had all the eyeballs of the internet. They had all the Google search traffic. They had an API that encouraged tons of other people to make applications that link with them to display their content.

All they had to do was light touch monetization, and slightly stroke the egos of the mods. Every new phone, car, light bulb that ever came out had a place where it could be directed right at the people they want to sell it to. All they had to do was disguise it as an unboxing or a slightly pithy review. Hell, they could have gotten competitors to bid against each other. Chevy could have been on there dissing forward, Ford could have been on their dissing Dodge. They're so many opportunities there for monetization. They have control over their own algorithm.

[-] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 66 points 8 months ago

You’re totally forgetting the part where from the very top down that company is run by total fuckwads.

They’ve fucked up at every single step and remained utterly self righteous throughout.

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[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 119 points 8 months ago

Seeing a report like that, that they did all these things to raise funds and are still not profitable, is there any reason why anyone would invest? Surely the price can only go down from initial offering, right? Unless the price started very low.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 83 points 8 months ago

People who invest are betting that the problems can be solved by a new team or when the company is sold to Facebook.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 71 points 8 months ago

Imagine thinking that about a company that isn't even doing remotely as well as Lycos.

That's right, it still exists and unlike reddit it's profitable.

[-] falsem@kbin.social 38 points 8 months ago

I'd imagine reddit could be profitable too if they stopped throwing money at stupid shit like NFTs and avatars. Selling API access for AI training was a good move in terms of bringing in income since it basically costs them nothing, and they could have totally pulled that off without pissing off half their userbase.

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[-] Nomad@infosec.pub 34 points 8 months ago

One would imagine the chief asshole would reduce his 190m payday by 100m to make the balance beautiful before an IPO.

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[-] simonced@lemmy.one 29 points 8 months ago

I don't work in financial reporting, and I have no clue what even EBITDA is...

But even me, I come to the same conclusion!^^

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 80 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Earnings before interest, taxation, deprecation and amortisation. Interest is classed as other income and taxation is kinda self-explanatory.

Depreciation is spreading the cost of a fixed asset over the course of its useful life. So let's say you spend $40,000 on a machine that you expect to keep for 20 years, and scrap for $1,000 at the end of its expected life. You depreciate it on the straight-line basis (meaning it goes down by a fixed amount each financial year, or depreciate it by $1,950 each year. Straight-line isn't the only form of depreciation. Cars for example go down on a reducing balance basis, meaning their value goes down by a lot more during the early years of their lifespan.

Amortisation is like depreciation, but for long term loans and intangible assets (things like customer lists, patents, etc.)

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I’ve been in dozens of quarterly review calls for every company I’ve worked for where EBIDTA is mentioned and this is the first time someone explained it clearly.

Thanks!

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[-] Rayspekt@kbin.social 193 points 8 months ago

I receiced one of those special offer emails to buy stocks on Monday. Weren't those supposed to go only to power users? I haven't done anything with my account since the API debacle and wasn't a power user before.

I feel like their rug pull before the ipo doesn't work that good. I hope the gme bros will short reddit to the ground, that would be the best end to Reddit I can imagine. Fuck spez.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 66 points 8 months ago

I got it on an email address linked to an account that was banned in 2020.

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 39 points 8 months ago

I was a semi-power user before leaving (13k link karma, 134k comments) and also received the IPO offer per email and per notification. I reported the notification as spam :)

It's so obvious that they want to squeeze some money out before everything goes down the drain.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 37 points 8 months ago

Please don't forget to fill in the form anyway, with fake data. This will let them believe there are more interested users than reality

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 183 points 8 months ago

Research and development, at $438.3 million

What in the fuck has Reddit developed in the last year that cost half a billion fucking dollars?

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 115 points 8 months ago

The executive payroll

[-] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 89 points 8 months ago

Hey, it's not easy to make a shitty new redesign of a site. That stuff costs money.

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[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 84 points 8 months ago

Remember when they killed API access claiming it cost the 10s of millions each year? Turns out they could have just not spent so much on reddit avatars and we'd all still be there today.

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[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

I haven't seen that "you broke reddit" message in a while. Maybe they bought more servers?

[-] Patches@sh.itjust.works 32 points 8 months ago

Because I haven't been back since the API Debacle...

FTFY

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[-] moistclump@lemmy.world 156 points 8 months ago

Why don’t company’s pay their CEOs in exposure and sense of pride? If it’s good enough for moderators and artists it should be good for CEOs.

[-] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 147 points 8 months ago

There are 54 pages of risk factors, which, after reading many S-1 filings over the years, seems pretty long. One of the most notable is the sentence, “We have incurred substantial losses during our history and may never achieve profitability.”

Well that doesn't sound very promising for them.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 76 points 8 months ago

may never achieve profitability.

I'm not an expert or anything, but that doesn't sound like a very good investment.

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[-] athos77@kbin.social 66 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Because spez insists on chasing the newest tech shiny - but only after it's peaked - NFTs, crypto, RPAN, etc. And although it may yet turn around for him and for reddit, notice that he only jumped onto the AI boom three months after last spring's series of AI announcements, showing that he's once again way behind the times.

Edit: one thing has always struck me since his interview last summer. spez said something like "reddit will continue to be profit-driven until the profits arrive". Like the arrival of profits was inevitable. Like he didn't need to do anything except wait. Just be patient and the profits will arrive in their own time, not like things have to be envisioned and planned and put in place to get profits, just ... they'll arrive. Some day.

It seems a remarkably lackadaisical attitude for a CEO to have.

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago

Didn't spez also say that Reddit was a side project that just got out of hand?

Being a tech nerd does not mean you have what it takes to lead a company to profitability.

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[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 115 points 8 months ago

Why would anyone give money to a business who has never ran in the black after 20 years? Just set your money on fire instead

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 66 points 8 months ago

Dumb people are going to see headlines about “AI” and “the first social media IPO in a long time,” and they’re going fork over money. Also speculators are going to buy after they speculate that other speculators are going to buy speculatively.

[-] butterflyattack@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Yeah, this IPO will probably go just fine and a bunch of wankers will make a bunch of money. That's what it's all about, after all.

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[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 39 points 8 months ago

And thats why theyre trying to sucker the users themselves to invest first, so they can pump and dump.

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[-] Bdtrngl@lemmy.world 110 points 8 months ago

Lots of losses but still paid spez a cool $193 million.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 55 points 8 months ago

Iirc it was $600k as actual payroll, the rest in private stock. But still, fuck the greedy little pig boy.

[-] Hello_there@kbin.social 25 points 8 months ago

600k for causing a mass migration. Fuck that and fuck CEO compensation in general

[-] huginn@feddit.it 23 points 8 months ago

That 192M in private stock gonna be 192K soon

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[-] balancedchaos@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago

For being a complete douche.

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 65 points 8 months ago

Whole thing is sketchy AF. I hope very few of its selected users falls for the scam invitation to buy early shares. They're not only exploiting them for free content and free moderation, they want them to help pay for Spez's ludicrous compensation.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

So, three of my old accounts apparently qualified for the buy-shares offer. Two of them were over the 200k karma threshold to get the offer. Interestingly, the third account had only 191k karma and got the message a day or two later.

Even more interestingly, yesterday a fourth account that I haven't posted to in over a decade received the offer, and this one only had 50k karma. Admittedly, several accounts were mods, but they were mods of extremely small, very inactive subs, and I had de-modded myself after deleting my data. They also sent an email to the my registered email address for the fourth account (but I don't know if that's relevant because none of my other accounts had emails registered).

I'm not sure what's going on. Did they get so little response from the early offers that they're going to the accounts of former mods or lowering the karma requirements? I know a couple of my accounts ended up connected by IP information; did they try to contact my old fourth account by PM and email because it was somehow connected to the higher-level accounts, or because they're getting desperate? Maybe they're just trying to get lots of numbers to show that redditors are eager to participate, to gin up an ignorant public's enthusiasm prior to the IPO?

I have to think that, at some level, they're getting desperate, because it seems so much effort to go to, to dig up an account that hasn't posted in a decade and then send PMs and emails to it.

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[-] Aatube@kbin.social 43 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In 2023, the company’s revenue was $804.0 million. Research and development, at $438.3 million, was more than half, an awfully big number for a company of this age.

What the heck are they doing‽

Edit: oops, Semi-Hemi-Demigod beat me to it. Hello, fellow binner!

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago

Don't worry, the IPO will not stop the losses. It will just provide a pool for more bonus payments for the management.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago

Rest in pieces. Federated pieces.

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I am curious. If you were a Chief officer or VP or something. What kind of changes would you do to make it profitable? Reduce server count? Roll back old.reddit? Just cut overhead? Get rid of Spez? How can they possibly make it profitable given where they are now?

[-] jettrscga@lemmy.world 85 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The premise of the question is flawed in my opinion. It only needs to be profitable because they put themselves in that situation by going public.

A social platform run by users should only need to break even. I have no idea why a web forum needs to be on the stock market.

Now it's another example of Enshittification of the internet.

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 40 points 8 months ago

There has never been a profitable social media company.

Facebook might have started out as a social media company, but it's only profitable now because it's part of an advertising duopoly that has almost all online ads completely locked up. Their actual business is renting eyeballs to advertisers. The social media part of it is just data collection for their advertising.

Reddit can't compete with the big 2 as an ad platform. They don't have the reach of the other two, and never will. So, it's not going to be a good money making platform, but it might be able to have a niche and cover its costs. There are ways it could do that and not be awful for users.

They could partner with Hollywood studios to promote shows and movies, provide forums to discuss them that are safe for those brands. They could work with local governments to be a place to release important information. Governments used to do that on Twitter, but Twitter has gone to shit. This isn't stuff that will send Reddit shares to the moon like their VC backers want. But, it could survive.

Instead, they're going to follow the Elon Musk playbook and it will die.

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[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 27 points 8 months ago

It can't because it's actively hostile to the users that make it its content in favor of recreating a more massive version of the Stanford prison experiment. Although that seems to be a fad to the people naturally attracted to acting out their power fantasies in any sort of reddit-like social network, particularly those who want to act out Minority Report.

[-] Toes@ani.social 27 points 8 months ago

I'm having fun watching it burn.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

No matter what happens the CEO and his peers will get fat bonuses

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