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Why Are Arch Linux Users So TOXIC?
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Why is YouTube clickbait so cringe?
Why is YouTube so TOXIC?? 🤔
see? I did the clickbaity thing too
Where's the Mr. Beast 😲 face, Elon musk, 5 red circles and 30 red arrows + explosion?
(makes a reply video of your video, I add THIS and point up at your face)
Imagine giving a shit about what strangers use on their own computers
I would judge someone for using Uwuntu or hannah montana linux though
Also TempleOS
So I'm an Arch user since 2013 and I don't think I'm toxic. I am not really offended by this post but a bit worried. Why this hate against Arch (users)? I use Arch, btw is a meme that may has some truth, but like every good meme it is exaggerated. Arch users may have some pride in tunning Arch but most of the time they're (in my expierence) helpful and inclusive. The OS itself fits right to my expectations: community driven, pragmatic, highly customizable. And I think the community is doing a lot for the overall Linux community with the Arch Wiki and for the Arch-based family with the AUR.
Edit: I didn't seek help in the Arch fotum myself but read some threads there. Haven't encountered any bm there.
meh... I have met a few true arch a-holes, however the arch wiki is a supremely useful info repository, so I generally give them a pass for their particular form of brain damage and hope the do the same for mine. as long as the arch wiki remains available, its a net wash. :-)
To be honest, a-holes are in every community. In about 30 years on internet I never find a community without some of them
A missed opportunity to call them archoles.
damnit! how right you are.
Yeah, even as a non-Arch user, often many of the issues in looking into still end up at an arch wiki or with some other arch user who has an issue that similar enough to put me on the right track
The arch wiki is pretty on point for general information about specifics and can often translate across distros.
But like one of the OPs said, a lot of the folks tend to be a bit gate keepy/defensive or very much fanboys of specific distros.
Cringe lmao
I've made a few posts to arch forums and never faced issues.
Perhaps it helps that I work in enterprise tech support so I'm used to providing a lot of verbose info about a given issue I'm facing when requesting help. I also show what I've done in an attempt to resolve it.
Many of the so called toxic responses I've seen on there have been to posts that I would say don't follow rules or just give very minimal info.
Trilby is also one of the best responders on there but have had a few blunt responses from others.
It's kind mind boggling how often you have to ask the OP to actually post the command they tried to run or the full error message and some of them will actually try to argue that it won't help. The people that frequent the forums start to get a bit annoyed at having to beg for bread crumbs and they eventually either become toxic or burn out and leave the community.
Arch is the past, the future wars of toxicity will be fought over NixOS.
Doesn't allow you to mix old and bleeding edge software in the immutable layer, it's everything or nothing
Don't you have to restart the system every time you install stuff because the base system is read-only?
How can you replace GNOME with Hyprland? Is it easy? And what if I want packages that can only be compiled from source on Fedora? Say I want to use the Starship prompt and I decide on using bspwm with bsp-layout. These are already packaged on nixpkgs, so I just add them to my config, do a rebuild switch, (and possibly an update) and I just log into BSPWM, without the need to restart for any of that. Simple. And if I have a complex configuration, I can just save the files and do vc via git and gitlab, and it's happy days. Also, automatic generation creation and the abilify to roll back if something breaks. And because the config is written in a declarative language, it means you will be told of any errors when you rebuild, but in case any others appear, you can still roll back.
Now all the Silverblue and Kinoite users will start talking about UBlue, and fair enough, you do get a lot of the advantages of NixOS with UBlue, but you don't get all reproducible packages, and you don't get the breadth of packages that you would get with NixOS. And it's a third-party non-native program. While the developer seems trustworthy, it still just creates more work.
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In the worst case, you go to a forum of Arch Linux or an Arch-based distro and
- You are kindly told to do research. This happens if the problem is too simple or common ie. caused by a recent upgrade and affecting many people.
- You are warned because you have been told to do something and you have replied without doing that.
If you get punished, more often than not it is deserved because the helpers don't want to waste their time if help requester doesn't cooperate. Meanwhile OP, are you the creator of the video?
I'd disagree about that being the worst case scenario.
When I used to use Arch and asked a question on the Arch forum, they removed my post because they saw I was using Pamac so they assumed I was actually on Manjaro. They didn't ask me if I'm using Manjaro or anything, they just assumed I was and removed it.
I reposted the question and clarified that I was using Arch, but that got removed again due to it being a duplicate of a removed question.
I made a meta post about what I should be doing in order to not get my posts removed and that got removed as well, though I don't remember the reason they gave for that.
That was the last time I posted on the Arch forum and shortly after, I switched to Void Linux.
Sorry to hear that. Any sort of AUR helper, which includes Pamac, is not supported. If your question was related to Pamac, that may be why your post got removed. If you ever use Arch or a derivate again, try hitting EndeavourOS forums this time. They don't care which derivative you use as long as it isn't Manjaro. My points apply to present, I assume Arch became infamous when this was a more serious issue in the past.
Issue was not Pamac related, if it was then I'd have understood. They just saw that I had Pamac on my system and shut down my posts.
What's the problem with Manjaro? I like it, but I keep seeing people hate Manjaro. Is there some reason I shouldn't be using it?
The concept of Manjaro is in my opinion perfect, because in theory it allows to enjoy the latest and greatest software while minimizing bugs. But the execution has so many flaws.
- The graphical package manager Pamac has DDOS'ed AUR twice.
- Manjaro mirrors Arch packages and holds them back, so it trails a few weeks behind Arch Linux. But Manjaro does NOT do this for AUR, which results in breakages and results in the next bullet point.
- Pamac offers users an easy way of installing AUR packages but this makes Manjaro vulnerable to breakages for unknowing users.
- Manjaro's website's SSL certificate has expired 4 times. This required users to roll back time to receive updates.
- There has been controversies around the treasurer of Manjaro as well as Manjaro establishing a company and becoming for-profit.
- Some editions of Manjaro are infamously problematic. For example Budgie does not recommend Manjaro, citing its flaws. GNOME edition shipped a Firefox theme extension which wasn't supposed to be used in production because Firefox updates quickly. At one point, the extension broke.
I am happy to help you with your experiment, toxic though it is.
Regardless of the click-baiting generalization in the title (that's the YouTube game, folks) and the annoyed basement dwellers downvoting OP for it, there is some truth to it. Just like Stack Overflow community is similarly toxic.
It’s not like any place on the internet is all that friendly once it grows more than a couple dozen people.
sure, yet some are more friendly than others despite the number of users. Hell, we can even see that in "sublemmies" here.
I'm trying to figure out what demographic would be downvoting this to hell. Arch users getting triggered by a clickbait title? Arch haters trying to cope with a somewhat charitable take on arch users? Or are we all just downvoting for the meme?
Nobody watched the video and the down arrow is there for when you disagree, simple as.
I don't understand why people assume everyone reads or watches the content.
I can see how it's annoying... But it's more annoying seeing people complain about it because for some reason they can't possibly fathom that people post without reading/watching. They just seem like control freaks... It's the internet, not a private school or courtroom under oath.
I downvote because he asked how many he can get. Otherwise, I'm neutral to it, as I'm not gonna watch a video in public rn.
Also, I use Arch btw
Arch users getting triggered by a clickbait title
this post was submitted on 12 Aug 2023
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