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[–] CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 247 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Philips screws are awful. They strip if you look at them wrong. Flatheads should only be used on thumbscrews just in case you need a little extra torque from a screwdriver.

Torx and Hex are excellent.

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 64 points 7 months ago (9 children)

I work on electronics and woodworking and Phillips are the utter worst of both of them. The thread lock in computers makes them easy to strip when unscrewing. The resistance of driving them into wood makes them guaranteed to strip when screwing. Fuck them.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 24 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Torx gang unite.

We had our 20 y/o deck repaired and stained last year. I was chatting with the overseer about what he was going to do and the topic of screws came up; he said he was going to use Torx, and only ever used Torx anymore - I just about cheered.

I'd been losing hope in humanity lately, but little signs of sanity like this, professionals finally getting rid of the hell-bits that are Phillips heads, lifts my heart and gives me hope.

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[–] thantik@lemmy.world 140 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Fuck this. Torx, Hex, square drive are all positive engagement. Phillips is literally designed to cam out. Slotted is just the first head type to have existed because of how easy it is to make, but is far inferior to every other type.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (2 children)

A good square bit for my impact is a lifesaver as an electrician. Pretty much every conduit fitting set screw can take flat, Philips, or square. When you're reaching out one-handed from the top of a ladder, you really don't want to cam out all the time.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 96 points 7 months ago (5 children)

If you've tried to do any large amount of work with slotted, you'll know that it belongs in Mental Disorders. I'll take Six-Lobe/Torx over phillips or slotted any day of the week.

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[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 78 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Wow, person making this chart actually has no clue. First two are absolute worst nightmare. Torx, Pozidrive, JIS, Alan all great with minimum damage.

[–] Hasuris@sopuli.xyz 24 points 7 months ago (7 children)

It's the "grandpa has been using slotted all his life so it can't be bad" reasoning. I can't think of a single use case I'd want slotted or even philips, if I've got a choice. Torx or bust!

If you're having trouble with Torx, buy better screws and bits. There are so many terrible screws around. The difference between a deep well fitting head and the cheap trash is massive.

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[–] t0fr@lemmy.ca 74 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You can tell a shitpost is a shitpost when it is entirely wrong

[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

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[–] pelotron@midwest.social 18 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Agreed, Phillips needs to get Thanos'd.

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[–] locke@sopuli.xyz 50 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

Slotted is absolute shit. Philips is acceptable if you must live in the 1900s.

Torx all the way. Every other type should be illegal and punishable by death of perpetrator's extended family.

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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 43 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm sorry, calling Robertson "square" is insulting to a superior screw design and fuck you for even pretending it isn't.

[–] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 39 points 7 months ago (4 children)

6 "lobe" is torx too. Nobody calls Allen bolts hexagon either.

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (10 children)

I don't think I've ever heard that fastener called an Allen bolt, just the tool (Allen key). I've generally heard them called hex sockets heads. Maybe it's a regional thing?

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 37 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Everyone who does not want torx and nothing but torx has never screwed torx screws.

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[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 36 points 7 months ago (4 children)

There is one screw on this chart that I have a mortal hatred for. Just one. That being the fat Phillips (called "Phillips/square" on this chart meme thing).

I have no idea why, but some companies can't resist the sadistic urge to put tiny versions of these fuckers on equipment that should just use a torque or Phillips screw head. But no, they want you to truly suffer. Because they don't stop there: they make the fragile little fuckers out of NICKEL. Which means they are extra malleable and prone to strip if you so much as look at them the wrong way. So imagine you need to replace a hard drive on a RAID-type storage pool that's already down two spares and you can't fucking get the drive out of it's sled because the vendor not only hired a bodybuilder to tighten the screws, but simultaneously chose the worst possible metal just for giggles and chose the screw head that they no body will have the proper bit for and will inevitably use a normal phillips on until it strips.

I now have a ritual procedure of putting every drive that gets replaced in the coldest cold aisle in the datacenter for at least 5 minutes just to make these fucking screws less likely to ruin my day.

Fuck whoever invented the fat phillips, even the lowest ring of hell is too good for them.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago (3 children)

A lot of those wacky screws exist solely to keep people from randomly messing with them. You have to really go out of your way the get the right tool for the job, and that's if there even is one.

Like the one-way screws holding together bathroom stalls.

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[–] seriousconsideration@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Socket (hexagon) and Robinson (square) are hyper common standards. You use Robinson for wood working due to the shape offering more resistance for high speed driving, and you use a socket with an allen key in order to get precise high torque hand tightening. IMO Phillips and Slot are the worst common standards due to stripping and sliding.

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[–] AresUII@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago
[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm American and even i can agree Robertson are the goat.

Phillips and flat suck. Not enough surface area on Phillips, resulting in stripped screws. And getting centered on flat sucks.

Robertson drive, just pop your driver in and it's self centering, lots of surface contact to drive, and lots of meat on the head to prevent stripping. Anything more than 4 edges is unnecessary.

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[–] stoi@lemm.ee 29 points 7 months ago (3 children)
[–] itsgoodtobeawake@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Let me introduce a fresh hell: we call them Apex screws.

[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

No take it back

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[–] strawberry@kbin.run 27 points 7 months ago (3 children)

nah torx and hex are great

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[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Torx is the only screw I buy when I buy screws. All the phillipses and other shit screws I have were included with some other shit I bought.

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[–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

No thanks. I will stick to my torx and hex, and they better be in metric.

  • Don't use over or undersized screwdrivers, especially on smaller electronics.
  • Stop torquing while you are still ahead.
  • Be especially careful if the metals are soft.
  • Keep your driver perpendicular. Better drivers can make this easier.
  • Better to back out the screw and try again if it isn't going in smooth on something threaded. Check for debris and burrs. If you need to apply more pressure, do so carefully.
  • I have found that for small stuff, getting nicer drivers makes a huge difference.

Penta-lobes for some of the small electronics are funny I guess, but they don't bother me as long as I have a bit for it. Main thing is to understand why some of these different shapes exist.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Flatheads are awful and you know it.

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[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Slot screws are the worst of them all...

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[–] Ginger666@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You obviously haven't ever worked in construction.

T-20 T-25 T-30

Square heads (Robinson) are used by millwork guys (cabinets)

Hex head are also used a lot

Edit: Also the fucking electrical screws that home depot only sells ONE FUCKING SCREW DRIVER FOR and its in a 3 pack of Milwaukee electricians insulated screwdrivers, it's ECX 1 and 2

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

where are they called slotted, I have only ever heard them called flat.

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[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I actually really like Philips with slot because it's just a Philips with a slot for when the Philips gets stripped so the two on the bottom right corner are the best in my opinion because if one ether the flat head or the Philips gets stripped you can just grab a ratchet or spanner

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[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 18 points 7 months ago

Whoever drew this deserves eternal damnation!

[–] ThrowawaySobriquet@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (16 children)

Phillips are for boring fuckin normies who can't chooch

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[–] Sloogs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

You'll call a Phillips a Phillips but not a Robertson a Robertson or an Allen an Allen, smh

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[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Fuuuuckin hell, I haven't seen a slotted screw since the 1980s. Philips screws are exclusively for electrical.

Is this yet another way the US has dropped 30 years behind modern countries?

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[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

My boy, you do NOT do Robinson dirty like that.

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago

Yeah hex or torx it is. Everything else can burn in hell

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