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Iran has struck Israel.

previous preambleThe continuing fall of the remains of the British Empire is pretty entertaining from the outside: an archaic royal family that is seemingly being smote with disease by God itself for their past crimes; a navy that virtually no longer functions, ramming into foreign ports and under constant repair; and an economy that cannot seem to stop sputtering, fucked whether they're in the EU or outside it. Watching the impacts on people from the inside is a little more worrying, though.

A fifth of the population is in poverty, including nearly a third of all children. These figures have barely shifted since the Labour government in the early 2000s, aside from a decreasing poverty rate for pensioners. Actually, poverty hasn't substantially shifted since Margaret Thatcher. Before her, the poverty rate was around 14%, but her catastrophic policies caused a major increase, and poverty levels since then are still 50% higher than over 50 years ago, because neoliberal economic policy since then has not fundamentally changed. Parties and corporations have impoverished the usual vulnerable groups, such as large families, minority ethnic groups (including half of Pakistani and Bangladeshi households!) and disabled people. These differences are also regional, with the North more impoverished than the richer Southeast (but some of the poorest boroughs are in London, so it's a complex pattern).

With Corbyn's defeat in 2019 mere months before the pandemic began, the Labour Party shifted back towards the right, with left-wingers purged from the party if they did not kowtow to Keir Starmer. This leaves us with a situation where the only substantial difference between the two parties would be on social policy, but it goes without saying that economic policy is the overwhelming factor that determines if minorities can have a decent life. Worker-oriented movements since then have been largely not under the umbrella of major party leaderships, such as the Don't Pay movement in late 2022 that arose in the wake of dramatically rising energy prices where 3 million people vowed to not pay them (which did lead to results).

Most notably recently is the major upset in the constituency of Rochdale - the victory of George Galloway - who is the leader of the Workers Party of Britain, which describes itself as both socialist and socially conservative. This took place both in the context of aforementioned economic troubles, as well as anger over Israel's genocide of Gaza in the British population, especially in British Muslims. It remains to be seen how much of this is an isolated event, especially as Corbyn has, understandably, refused to collaborate with Galloway due to his socially conservative stances. The UK general election will be held at some point within the next 9 months or so, and might well be a shitshow depending on what happens domestically and geopolitically before then; parallels to the current American electoral shitshow with increasing anger over Biden are pretty apparent. The Conservatives are quite likely to lose given 14 years of uninspired rule if current polling is correct, but it truly is a race to the bottom.


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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful. Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
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Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 124 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I go shopping for rare Korean foodstuffs to bring back to Alaska and I come back to a megathread that's popping off like there's gonna be a massive military conflict.

Folks make sure to try to double-check your sources when you post them, try to keep parent comments on topic - I don't mind a bit of anxiety posting but try and keep that as contained as possible aka don't spam comments - make sure to hit the report button if anything is rule breaking, and generally have a nice morning/day/night wherever you're posting from.

Semper post, time to get a beer.

Edit: I'll keep this up for like 24 hours or whenever the fireworks taper off

Edit 2: tonight's theme song has been brought to you by our sponsors: 'The Find Out company' who's motto is "When you fuck around too much, think of us."

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[-] newmou@hexbear.net 128 points 6 months ago

Omg lmao this CNN guest saying “Israel has no choice but to retaliate for this. And we have to remember, this is what Ukraine has been dealing with every…single…night.” Just like, the fucking gall to say that about the entity that has been committing genocide with bombs against civilians every night for 7 fucking months

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[-] Al_Sham@hexbear.net 126 points 6 months ago

An under reported but crucial thing to remember about a night that will go down in history:

For the first time in over 6 months, the oppressed Palestinians in Gaza were not being bombed by US-israeli planes.

Let that sink in. #ThankYouIran

[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 123 points 6 months ago

Times of Gaza: President of Columbia, Gustavo Petro: "We are on the cusp of World War III, and the United States’ support for genocide has set the world on fire"

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 90 points 6 months ago

Full quote: "We are in the prelude to World War III, precisely when humanity should rebuild its economy towards the rapid goal of decarbonization. The support of the United States, in practice, for a genocide, has set the world on fire."

https://www.semana.com/confidenciales/articulo/gustavo-petro-amplifico-una-noticia-falsa-sobre-putin-hablo-de-la-antesala-de-la-iii-guerra-mundial-y-luego-borro-su-publicacion/202425/

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 117 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

good god, already seeing "well, shucks. we were THIS close to Holding Netanyahu Accountable and now Iran has done this and made people support him again" takes. there's eating from the trashcan of ideology and then there's going out to your nearest landfill and diving headfirst into it

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 115 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Don't kill me for whatever source made this it's still funny.

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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 114 points 6 months ago

Having John Bolton on the news to discuss how Israel should respond to Iran is a bit like having a pedophile on to discuss what should be done about the age of consent.

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 111 points 6 months ago

There's this fascinating contradiction that we've seen now in both Ukraine and Israel where they're simultaneously asserting that everything is good because their air defense systems intercepted everything, Iran/Russia is seething and coping because of it, etc etc; but also that this was a massive and brutal escalation and Iran/Russia must be punished for all the harm they've done to us. I can't personally say I care that much about whatever narratives that Israel produces to cope with their losses, and the last six months show well how Israel even more so than Ukraine is putting all their cards into propaganda in the hopes that it'll affect things in the real world somehow, as if saying that your military bases aren't being BTFO will un-explode them.

Last night really was a paradigm shift, which was easy for me to forget in the videos of drones and missiles smacking into Israeli installations. Israel's sense of invulnerability shattered on October 7th, and their operations and propaganda inside the Gaza Strip since then has been one big attempt to not just attempt the impossible task of destroying Hamas, but to rebuild that sense of strength in their society. When Hezbollah and Yemen joined in, it was two further blows to them. But one thing that Israel could tell itself while rocking back and forth in the fetal position was that there was still one last shield it possessed, one way in which it was still strong - it knew that Iran would never attack them directly. They simply would not dare. It would be too massive of a hurdle to jump, too dangerous for Iran to strike them, a nuclear-armed power. They would only ever act through resistance groups, they thought. And that has been more-or-less true for many decades now.

Until last night. The Rubicon has been crossed. There's now little left for Israel's sense of protection. Weeks where decades happen.

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[-] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 109 points 6 months ago

https://twitter.com/fadiquran/status/1779426300760850642

"On Iran’s strike:

At Stanford, I attended a masterclass on military strategy led by a person with decades of experience, including serving at the highest levels in the military and government.

One lesson he thought that I always remember was this:

He asked us:

“Say the US decided to attack Iraq with a new stealth jet it hadn’t used before that evaded all radars? The attack was a success. Was it strategic?”

Many in the class raised their hands to say “yes, it achieved its goal”. But the professor said: “It may not have been”.

Why?

“Because now your adversaries know your capabilities and it’s a matter of time before they find ways around them. If this attack could be done with conventional weapons, it’s better to keep your top weapons until you need them. Using them creates a disadvantage.”

My analysis is that the scale of Iran’s attack, the diversity of locations it targeted, and weapons it used, forced Israel to uncover the majority of anti-missile technologies the US and it have across the region.

The Iranians did not use any weapons Israel didn’t know it had, it just used a lot of them. But the Iranians likely now have almost a full map of what Israel’s missile defence system looks like, as well as where in Jordan and the Gulf the US has installations. It also knows how long it takes to prepare them, how Israeli society responds…etc

This is a huge strategic cost to Israel, while Arab regimes now are being blasted by their peoples, particularly the Jordanian monarchy, for not doing anything to protect Gazans but then going all out to protect Israel.

Crucially, Iran can now reverse engineer all the intel gathered from this attack to make a much more deadly one credible. While the US and Israel will have to re-design away from their current model which has been compromised. Its success in stopping this choreographed attack is thus still very costly.

Moreover, with the threat of a regional war that neither the US nor the Arab regimes want feeling nearer, it’s likely their pressure on Israel to back down will increase, making a ceasefire more feasible.

Anyone assuming this is just theatrics is missing the context of how militaries assess strategy versus tactics. Theatre is an important factor, but gathering intelligence of the “enemy’s” posture is more valuable, especially if one believes they’re in a long war of attrition.

Netanyahu and the Israel government prefer a quick hot and urgent war where they can pull in America. The Iranians prefer a longer war of attrition that bleeds Israel of its deterrence capabilities and makes it an ally for Arabs and the US that’s too costly to have.

Lastly, if you are a person who hates war, if you want peace, the best and only way to get there in the region is to support the Palestinian struggle for freedom, justice and dignity.

There is no sustainable peace possible as long as Palestinians live under an oppressive system of apartheid."

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[-] MrPiss@hexbear.net 107 points 6 months ago

It's wild that Iran seems like it has entirely stopped caring about what The Great Satan thinks and will directly strike military bases if the US helps Israel. I kept thinking that after Oct 7th and Israel's response to it, that there would be no going back and the nature of the occupation of Palestine would change going forward. Now I know that the fascists really will suicidally destroy their own project and are willing to burn the entire middle east to ashes around them. We can't predict what will happen at this point. There truly is no way out but through.

To everyone in the middle east, stay safe.

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[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 106 points 6 months ago

wake up

952 new comments in news mega

aware

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[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 106 points 6 months ago

my pro-palestine lib friends support Iran holy shit

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 83 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

We've entered the fun zone, global ideology is entering a seismic shift

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[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 105 points 6 months ago
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[-] OnlyTrueLiberal@hexbear.net 103 points 6 months ago

I can't believe that Iran would commit such an unprovoked attack. Yes, history started on ~~24.2.2022~~ ~~7.11.2023~~ 14.4.2024.

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[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 102 points 7 months ago

US trade representative says China's economy is a system “that we’ve articulated as being not market-based, as being fundamentally nurtured differently, against which a market-based system like ours is going to have trouble competing against and surviving”.

Full article

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[-] newmou@hexbear.net 102 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I’m at a hotel and I threw on CNN, and they have on John Bolton lmao IRAN IS HAPPENING SOMEBODY GET BOLTON

Edit: Jesus Christ, he is calling for Israel to bomb any sort of nuclear facilities in Iran, and he said if there “happens to be a nuclear holocaust in the future, we’ll know who to blame”

Update: he’s bringing in North Korea now lol saying Iran and North Korea are working together to produce nuclear weapons for Iran

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[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 101 points 6 months ago

Western media is running zionist propaganda and making its viewers dumber by refusing to assign blame for the attack on the Iranian consulate. They're all "Iran attacked 'Israel' who they accuse of being responsible for attacking the consulate". Everything to make the Iranians look aggressive and unreasonable.

Who else would have attacked the consulate? Fucking Bolivia?

And of course they're humanising the Zionists and making their feelings relatable to viewers "Danish-'Israeli' in 'Tel Aviv': I haven't slept for 48 hours" reads the current headline on one news website, complete with a picture of a sad-lookibg white woman. The poor little settler went to get her Lebensraum and be the master race and now the subhumans are disturbing her sleep. The fucking tragedy.

Meanwhile when brown people gets murdered by the thousands all we get are statistics and even these statistics are being smeared as probably being unreliable by the "Hamas-controlled health authorities" bullshit.

I hate western journalists so much it's unbelievable.

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[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 101 points 6 months ago

Israel grouping together injuries and "people treated for anxiety" is just so funny. Not a serious country.

Also, I guess if after the smoke clears Israel is seriously listing cases of anxiety, the damage wasn't that bad and Iran's response was pretty calculated. Switching my brain to nothing ever happens mode until the morning.

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[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 100 points 6 months ago

Amongst the mixture of dread and anticipation of tonight's events grumpy comedy man Dave Anthony's tweet got a laugh out me with a tweet directed at the libs on his timeline:

As i see the mushroom cloud over Los Angeles. "If Trump was president there would be two mushroom clouds."

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[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 99 points 6 months ago

IRAN JUST HIT THE ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS ACROSS MY VILLAGE IN HEBRON. THESE SETTLERS KILLED MY COUSIN IN 2017. FOR THE FIRST TIME WE FEEL REVENGE. 🇮🇷🇵🇸🔥

From a Palestinian

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[-] puff@hexbear.net 97 points 6 months ago

The West is LOSING in Eastern Europe.

The West is LOSING in the Middle East.

The West will LOSE in Asia.

What a time to be alive stalin

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 95 points 6 months ago

Palestine Square in Tehran:

Your next mistake will be the end of your fake state.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 95 points 6 months ago
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[-] Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net 95 points 6 months ago

Israeli war room right now doing a powerpoint presentation on all the schools, orphanages, and hospitals in Tehran trying to pick their target.

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[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 95 points 6 months ago

When the Zionists carpet bombs civilians by the tens of thousands the so-called civilized west does jack shit except giving a half-hearted performance of asking the Zionists nicely to perhaps not be as murderous the next time.

When Iran retaliates for an illegal and unprovoked terrorist attack by the zionist entity against a diplomatic mission the west sends planes and missiles and hangar ships to defend the zionists.

No wonder the rest of the world hates the west.

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[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 93 points 6 months ago

RIP Gaddafi, if I could bring you back to witness any event since your death, it would be missiles raining down on Israeli military targets

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[-] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 93 points 6 months ago

Dems already condemning Iran and reasserting “israel”’s right to “self-defense”

I can only hope that one day they too get they deserve inshallah

[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 92 points 6 months ago
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[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 92 points 7 months ago

https://thecradle.co/articles-id/24357

According to Yemeni sources, behind closed doors the US has offered Ansarallah everything they could possibly ask for if they drop the embargo and stop supporting Gaza/attacking Israel.

“The sources further reveal that the Americans pledged to immediately release withheld Yemeni public sector salaries from the National Saudi Bank, lift the country’s siege entirely, reopen Sanaa Airport, ease restrictions on the port of Hodeidah, and facilitate a comprehensive prisoner exchange agreement with all involved parties.” They also offered to recognize Ansarallah as the legitimate government of Yemen and to remove Ansarallah from the US terrorist list.

That’s how much the Biden government wants this genocide to happen, they’re willing to give up all of their imperialist ambitions and investments of the last decade against Yemen. They could have done all of the things above at any time, but they don’t, they hold it back as leverage. This is how US does its foreign policy, they sanction nations and hold their economies hostage and then make them bargain and haggle back to neutrality by giving up all of their sovereignty.

They do the same shit with Iran, sanctioning them into the ground so that Obama and the EU can do an “Iran deal” where Iran gives up a bunch of concessions in exchange for the US to end its sanctions. Basically, the US never has to give up anything they just hold everyone at gunpoint as their leverage

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[-] IceWallowCum@hexbear.net 90 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Heart pounding as I reload Hexbear and check how many new comments there are in the news mega

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 88 points 7 months ago

Congratulations to Elon Musk, because of his Twitter meltdown, China's BYD Auto has won and is now firmly established in the Brazilian market. Meanwhile, Tesla will enter the Brazilian market, Elon Musk will probably be banned from entering Brazilian territory and Twitter will also be banned and, if we're really lucky, the FBI will give him a good scare by raiding his house.

It also makes Lula da Silva and the Brazilian Supreme Court more popular. There's nothing better to unite people than an idiot American bad-mouthing a country he doesn't understand or speak the language of. Now, Congress and/or the Supreme Court could easily pass a law establishing more regulations for the Internet, since the majority of the population would support it.

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[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 87 points 6 months ago

I wonder how many Israelis are going to move out, back to the US or Europe or wherever because of this, since a lot of them are capable of doing so. Can't be good for the settler-colonial project.

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 86 points 7 months ago

I linked someone to the un report on xinjiang and was accused of genocide denial.

Tanks aren't enough. I'm becoming a battleshippie.

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[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 84 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

i gotta stop hitting f5, shit will happen whether or not im awake for it sleepless

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[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 83 points 7 months ago

Just as shocking as watching China go from war torn backwater to industrial hub of the planet in the last 70 years is watching the UK go from the globe spanning empire to... whatever the fuck it is today. Didn't those guys used to be a major world power at some point? What happened to them?

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[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 82 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"The Israelis entered this war under the childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else and no one was going to bomb them"

  • Iranian Bomber Harris, probably
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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 81 points 6 months ago

holy shit lmao, the Zionists released images like this as proof that their airbase is fine:

extremely obvious that they quickly dug a hole in a ground and they're so stupid that they forgot to not include the mound of material that they unearthed. I guess this is indirect proof that the airbase truly has been fucked or they'd release something of substance instead

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[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 81 points 6 months ago

I'd like to thank the Islamic Republic of Iran for bestowing me with such confidence today that multiple ladies were coming up to me telling me I looked cool as hell tonight. All praises to Allah, he works in mysterious ways inshallah

[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 81 points 6 months ago

jesus I should not have looked at reddit. even /r/thedeprogram is full of people from the /r/newiran hitler praising subreddit, people concern trolling, people going "ummmm don't you know Iran is reactionary and therefore bad", and "ummm actually Iran doesn't actually care about Palestinians"

fuck offfffffffffffff, what a cesspool

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