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[–] Hype@lemm.ee 187 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My biggest complaint is how Linus is still saying he's not sorry about what he did, at least it doesn't seem genuine, instead he is still apologizing that he didn't realize what the community wanted.

He shouldn't care what the community wants. He should always strive for accurate data, ethical partnerships, and correcting mistakes when they still make it through because they always will.

Linus is doubling down on his opinions, hiding mistakes, doing the bare minimum to fix them, and needs public outcry and the heavy hand of the other executives in LTT to see any course change.

[–] DigitalWanderer@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (9 children)

im so out of the loop here, help anyone?

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 127 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

In one of their videos one of the employees said they do better and more accurate GPU tests than other YouTubers called Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed. Then of course those mentioned YouTubers started to hit back and show how often LTT is wrong and makes wrong assumptions, because they don’t do proper due diligence. Since they have to release several videos per week. Gamers Nexus also exposed that LTT auctioned off a prototype GPU cooler from a small startup. But they had no permission to sell the unit. It was only for reviewing. The startup even asked to get the unit back several times. Linus, the owner of LTT, then released a non-apology. Afterwards a former employee came out and told why she left the company and it turns out the work environment is very toxic at LTT. She also reminded everyone that pettiness by Linus caused his fans to harass a small YouTuber called MindChop. Who eventually committed suicide. He fell into a depression because of the harassment and later his mom also committed suicide. She couldn’t bear the loss of her son.

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Several videos a week".

Twenty-five (25) videos a week. Five a day, four if they work weekends which they likely do. Plus the WAN show and other social media. Their velocity is far too high for accuracy to be a priority. As their own employees said in their video, they wish they had more time. And as Linus himself said, their velocity is so high that the instant they publish a video it has to be forgotten because they have to turn to the next one.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Holy shit, I can't wrap my head around channels that release more than one video a day

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 16 points 1 year ago

It's still mostly one per day per channel, more or less. It's just that they have many channels

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hbomberguy

One video in six months, if we're lucky.

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[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

They have like a hundred employees, which makes it a lot easier to figure out. Though some of those employees aren't directly involved in creating videos, such as doing accounting or creating the many kinds of custom merch that they sell.

They have a bunch of employees doing specialized roles. Not just the usual roles like editing or writing, but they also what they call a "lab" that does stuff like identify findings about tech. But even with so many employees and all the specialization, they're still clearly rushing. Eg, if they make a massive error, rather than fix it and do a reshoot, they'll release it with the error, which is a terrible approach.

That's exactly what happened in their biggest controversy with an expensive water block cooler. They used a completely wrong graphics card despite knowing that it was completely wrong and with an incompatible motherboard, then spent most of the video bad mouthing how it didn't fit the motherboard or card instead of recognizing that they needed to just identify a compatible board, find the right card, and redo the shoot.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

Jesus fucking Christ

[–] Micromot@lemmycook.de 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There is no actual proof for the suicide of the son and the mom, would love to see actual proof if you have it but i wouldn't really use this as an argument. I admit his behaviour was too much but pointing the blame for the suicide of a child is also too extreme

found this twitter post about it: https://twitter.com/reddit_lies/status/1691895748286177765 Just realized that Twitter account is quite stupid but I still can't find any evidence for it being true or not

Edit: I don't know if I want to believe if MindChop truly did what the reddit post is talking about, but I feel like Linus wasn't at fault for his community bullying the Owner.

Another thing I just found: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15sjv78/for_anyone_wondering_why_madison_stayed_silent/jwfeg5a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

This whole thing is very complicated and I am not trying to discredit the madison allegations with this, they are a completely different topic

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

THAT whole thing SHOULD NOT be included in this round of criticism. NO ONE is responsible for everything their fans do. That was a messed up situation that LTT only happened to be involved in. Most of their angst and trouble came from a terrible YT media group (not LMG) pulling their small channel around.

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[–] Hoomod@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (20 children)

LTT fucked up hard, doubled down, worse things came out, tripled down

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[–] KorokSpaceProgram@artemis.camp 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Linus Tech Tips, a large YouTube tech channel, has faced backlash after GamersNexus posted a video detailing their increasingly flawed videos focusing on quantity over quality. LTT releases videos multiple times a week, but these videos almost always have errors that are later corrected or are not noticed by LTT. This results in lower quality videos that can sometimes be misleading (especially product review videos). These criticisms had been expressed by many viewers of LTT prior the GamersNexus video. GamersNexus is also a popular tech channel and amplified these criticisms with the release of their video.

Other criticisms of LTT are that their packed release schedule overworks their employees and their corporate culture is hostile towards stressed employees. These criticisms were merely speculation until a former LTT employee posted on X (formerly Twitter) a detailed account of why they decided to leave the company. Their allegations detailed overworking, harassment, and their declining mental health due to their job at LTT.

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[–] h14h@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

LMG (Linus Media Group) was making careless mistakes and publishing a lot of inaccurate data, sometimes going as far to not recommend or label a product as "bad" after misusing it. This was likely due to an unnecessarily rushed pace of video releases that came from prioritizing sponsor revenue over accuracy, which many feel is a pretty massive ethics breach for a news outlet that is marketing itself as a home for highly objective, data driven content (LTT Labs).

Gamers Nexus called out this behavior in a 40 minute video which kicked off all the drama, and Linus posted a kneejerk response on the LTT forum where he largely defended his behavior and conclusions and badmouthed Gamers Nexus for going public with these criticisms instead of sharing them privately.

A few days later, LTT put out a video that was almost entirely LTT leaders other than Linus admitting how bad everything was, sharing some details on their processes, and committing to being more transparent & taking a week off uploading videos to rework things. But the video also included some tone deaf moments, like a plug for merch and Linus talking for a bit where he sort of apologized but didn't really talk for long enough to acknowledge all of his fuck ups. He did say "I'm sorry" at one point which was pretty meme worthy.

The video was also monetized when it went up and the description had links to their merch store in it, which people called out as slimy and LTT subsequently removed.

Different people have different conclusions -- some think it was a total non-apology, but I personally am satisfied. To me all their issues were the result of bad processes/automation run amok, so their commitment to reworking their processes and being more transparent about them with the community is exactly what I wanted to see.

But that's just me -- I think there are many valid conclusions that can be drawn from this.

Edit: There was also a reddit post on Reddit made by a former employee, Madison, that made allegations of sexual harassment. If true, these would be extremely damning, and to my knowledge LMG has not spoken on them yet. I also am just learning about this, so I don't know whether these statements have been corroborated by anyone.

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[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago

Accurately presenting your past opinions and weaknesses is not weakness. You can recognise your error while accurately describing your past actions.

You may want to change your actions depending on new information though.

[–] catapult7724@lemmy.sdfeu.org 103 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A comment I saw on another thread put it best. He should have taken the 100 million

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[–] derfl007@lemmy.wtf 95 points 1 year ago (7 children)

"We fucked up, and that's why I'm here to cry about people being mean to me on the internet again. Also I'm super not sorry and it definitely will happen again" -Linus

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Really it'd be like, "I'm sorry... Just like this segue to our sponsor!"

They can't put out a statement without a segue. It's just not allowed! They love that word.

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[–] anticommon@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If Linus was his own boss he'd have fired himself.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After sexually harassing himself.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't watch LTT or indeed hardly anything on YT, so I'm not about to sit through a teary YouTube apology video.

I assume it's the usual "sorry not sorry" arse covering job?

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

First one was. Second one not so much. It also outlined what actions they plan to take to improve things. We'll see how it going.

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 year ago

If you only see the Linus bit, the second hasn't changed that much, he was still trying to justify it and to feel like a victim.

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[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As all this unfolds, I am more drawn towards the opinion that I don't care that much about the GN call out, because those things can be fixed. I just don't care that much about tech entertainment being dry as bones to ensure accuracy, but am a lot more concerned about the posts from ex-employee Madison about how she was treated.

Sounds like they have made themselves a bit of a mini Blizzard culture. Crunch and sexism abound.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

This just confirmed my opinion of Linus as an utter twat and probable sociopath.

His reactions to things like Project Farm's review of his overpriced screwdriver, and the constant, blatant submarining of Linux and opensource tells you what kind of person he is. None of the behaviour I've seen in this latest installment is surprising. Everything is done to get view numbers up, even monetizing the apology FFS.

But the fanbois gonna fan regardless, and he'll come away with more money after this than before because of it.

[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

He came a long way from the depressed linus meme of years ago

[–] VisuallyHuman@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Im beginning to wonder, if Luke left the video production side of LTT because they truly were working staff like animals to pump out videos and he finally decided "yeah im going back into development type work again..." Then made floatplane and got LTT to be his biggest investor. 🤔

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'm probably missing a meme, what's BP?

[–] Roundcat@kbin.cafe 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

British Petroleum. The meme comes from the South Park episode lampooning the BP oil spill and BP's response to it. The meme is making fun of the fact that youtubers use the same non-apology whenever they're in trouble.

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[–] Fester@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

BP oil spill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

BP CEO hearing: https://youtu.be/X8p4s7EE6FY

South Park’s version: https://youtu.be/HQhmGIW7MVU

Edit: Here’s a better South Park one with the OP’s screen… https://youtu.be/15HTd4Um1m4

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago

British Petroleum... You know the guys behind that huge oil spill several years back

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