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[–] Hotchip@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Didn't she win the popular vote?

This is just shit libs blaming the left instead of taking responsibility for running a shit candidate with so much baggage that she lost while "winning"

If you want to be mad at anyone, blame the dnc.

[–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Bernie would have whooped trump in 2016. Shame the dnc decided to change the rules the day of to avoid a split ticket or God forbid, supporting the actually viable candidate.

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

Lol, no.

Bernie is the Ron Paul of the left; he has a small group of very loud supporters online who by constantly shouting at each other on the internet have convinced themselves that he's actually some sort of populist god. I mean seriously, he couldn't even win the popular vote in the Democratic Primary in 2016, losing to Hillery by over three million votes, where were all the extra voters to "whoop" Trump supposed to come from?

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sanders, God love him, was not going to be electable. Had they run him, Trump would have picked up the whole of the big fat moderate lump in the middle of the bell curve.

Exactly like Boris Johnson did when he ran against Jeremy Corbyn. The capitalists simply won't allow socialists to win in this environment.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Sanders, God love him, was not going to be electable.

Literally every single poll says otherwise. We'll never know for certain, but there's much more evidence to support a Sanders victory than a Sanders loss, and claiming that Trump would have picked up enough moderates to win is baseless speculation.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If Hilary hadn't been a pile of shit doing private speaking engagements for billionaires that were so hush hush that they set up massive white noise generating speaker systems, people would have voted for her.

if Hilary had set a fucking foot in some of the states she lost, people would have voted for her.

if Hilary didnt make stupid fucking comments, people would have voted for her.

Maybe if you stopped blaming voters, and blamed the shitty fucking candidates, someone less awful would have run, and won.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Tell your handlers that for this farce to continue you must concede us a win occasionally. Practice what you preach. Incremental progress. Min wage increase here, universal healthcare there.

As it stands now all you fuckers do is lie. Lie and wag your fingers at people who know how the system works better than you do.

Thats the compromise. We accept your lukewarm, limpwristed, milquetoast bullshit in exchange for incremental progress. But you've offered no progress. When challenged even slightly you sprint for votes from the right which only leads to you losing elections and further alienating those to the left of fucking Reagan.

Those Republicans you're courting despise you and will never support you in meaningful numbers. They're comfortable and only care about 2 things. Property Values and Taxes.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago

Your vote matters.

If 100% of voters voted liberal in the upcoming election, the one after that would have way more left leaning candidates.

Your vote directly matters.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

if Leftists had voted for Hillary in 2016 abortion would still be legal.

So, this really isn't true in any meaningful way. People like to make a big deal out of the 12% of Bernie voters who went for Trump, but the majority of them identified as conservatives or centrists, while only 18% identified as liberal or left-leaning. Likewise, a lack of turnout doesn't seem to be the issue; black voter turnout dropped, but not by an unexpected margin, and young voters (who tend to be more left-leaning) had very strong turnout. Finally, you could try to blame leftists who voted third-party, but analysis shows that even if every single Jill Stien voter had gone to Clinton, she still would have needed to win over 50% of Gary Johnson's voters (who were obviously unlikely to consider themselves leftists).

You might be able to get the numbers to work if you say that if every leftist who stayed home OR voted third-party OR went to Trump voted for Clinton she'd have won, but that's incredibly hard to prove and probably relies on some specious assumptions (for example, that every Green Party voter was a disgruntled Democrat). At that point, you're pulling so many different groups together under a single banner that it's basically meaningless. You might as well say if women had voted for Hillary abortion would be legal.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I voted for Stein in 2016. My state still went to Clinton by 16 points. If I'd lived in a state that was even remotely competitive, I would have held my nose and voted for Clinton.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It was very brave of you to admit that you voted for Jill Stein, I mean even if she had no chance to win, she's still a pseudoscience promoter who believes we can use crystals as an alternative to heatlhcare and that vaccines cause autism.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Now do Hillary. When you live in a glass house...

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I didn't vote FOR Hilary, I voted AGAINST Trump, a third party vote doesn't do that

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago

I don't back a third party strategy, but a third party vote is almost always a vote against the two parties.

[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you think hyping up elections with a free democracy dog (a hotdog on election day) would make voting sexy enough that people would show up to the polls? Like Australia.

[–] jdaxe@infosec.pub -1 points 9 months ago

Couple of small corrections about Australian elections:

  • The democracy sausage is not free (at least when I've gone to vote)

  • Everyone has to vote or they get fined, it's not like people go just because of the sausage

[–] mydude@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Does this mean that your two party system is actually just a one party system?

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

They are both Capitalist parties. America doesnt have a working class party