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A suburban Atlanta school board has voted to terminate the contract of a teacher who read a book about gender identity to gifted fifth-graders – the latest salvo in a nationwide clash over how issues like gender and race are discussed in public school classrooms.

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[-] joe@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago

For reference, fifth graders are usually around 10 or 11 years old. Gifted or not they're almost certainly intelligent enough for this topic.

According to the article, there is a law that restricts teaching "divisive concepts". That batshit insane. "Divisive" doesn't mean it's inaccurate.

[-] flipht@kbin.social 53 points 1 year ago

Divisive almost always means liberal in these contexts. I find the bible divisive, but I doubt any teacher would get fired for quoting or even directly reading from it.

[-] joe@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

It seems that the law in question is pretty focused on not making white people feel uncomfortable about racism.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Racism, or the existence of lgbtq people.

[-] joe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Well, the law itself (I just looked it up) focuses entirely on race. I don't see how it even applies to the scenario in the OP.

[-] rnviewjthpowrh@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

For reference, fifth graders are usually around 10 or 11 years old. Gifted or not they’re almost certainly intelligent enough for this topic.

I disagree enough to stop lurking and made an account to comment.

Our 8 year old knows that “some people feel they are boys, some feel they are girls, and some don’t feel like they are either.” Honestly it’s not more difficult than that unless you’re purposely making it so.

Also 5th grade is when we (suburban school district in the US) had a district-wide “basic sex ed” information night for students. How is educating about sex okay but not gender for the same age?

They’re are age appropriate ways to talk about these topics to kids like these, and age appropriate materials.

[-] joe@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I think you may have added a "not" to my comment that isn't there. I am in full agreement with you.

[-] rnviewjthpowrh@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Lol, you are correct I misread your comment!

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I think you misread their comment. You're agreeing with what they said.

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Funny thing is that the people who are against this are also against sex education.

[-] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

you really had me in the first half dude. welcome I guess lmao

[-] Jaywarbs@artemis.camp 4 points 1 year ago

I remember in 4th grade (age 10) my class was shown “The Movie”, which described basic sexual functions. I distinctly remember the words semen and ejaculation being used, not because I actually learned the meanings, but because I thought they sounded funny. I’d say that the concept gender is actually easier to describe than the biology of sex and reproduction.

[-] BaronVonBort@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

But why is there a teacher shortage?!

[-] Hype@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago

Low pay

Buying school supplies with their own money is common

Actively abused by the school kids

Actively abused by the parents of school kids

No support from the administration

[-] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I have several teachers on my Facebook... And they are all putting out Amazon wish lists and go fund mes for supplies. It's insane that they have to supply items to teach.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Being shot by a student being called a working hazard..

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

SMALL GOVERNMENT FREEDOM ETC ETC

[-] TubeTalkerX@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

What about HER Freedom of Speech???

[-] MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Freedom of speech has never applied to government employees acting within their position.

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago

I'd like to go ahead and forestall the inevitable RAWR RAWR RAWR TEACHING CHILDREN ABOUT GENDER SEXUALIZES THEM THIS IS FAR TOO EARLY.

I'm trans. I figured it out for myself around fifth grade. I had little context or support besides what I could find on a very young internet, and that has made my life harder and reduced the quality of it. While I'm glad I found what I did, it's not a substitute for proper instruction on the matter, nor proper treatment assistance instead of "impromptu at-home surgery attempts". Many people figure things out younger than I did. You aren't doing kids any favors by hiding this knowledge from them, you're only hurting trans kids. And if that's what you want, well, I think that's pretty fucked, but at least say it with your fuckin' chest. Don't hide behind lies about wanting to keep kids safe, because what you're doing is the opposite of that.

[-] joe@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I haven't read the book in question, but I'm pretty confident the gist of the lesson is "it's okay for people to be different". What kind of broken person sees that message and says "no it's not"?

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Maybe you missed the story the other day about a poster with people of different races holding hands. The same kind of people who were pissed about that are pissed about this.

[-] joe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

From hearing you describe it, I am pretty sure I saw the headlines. Something along the lines of "the GOP doesn't think people of different races can be friends".

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's the one!

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Someone whose entire life has been to bend, break, mutilate, and carve them into a particular shape, one that demands that it be reproduced in others, and I am sorrowful that that has been done to people, and I want them to heal, and I want to help them heal, but a good first step is you don't get to inflict your damage on others.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Republicand

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Parent of a trans (FtM) kid here, and Jesus Christ I would hug you so damn hard if I could. In my household, he gets love, support, information, and medical care, and...

It's so damn obvious those are the right things to do. It's not even a question. There were no arguments or opposition when he came out, just his mom and I doing whatever is needed to help him in his transition.

And it absolutely rips me up inside to know that there are kids out there suffering because their parents - and their fucking school systems - are opposed to their existence.

[-] Efwis@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

They aren’t opposed to their existence per-se, they just want everyone back in the closet so they don’t have to admit that the lgbtq+ community exists.

The haters need to grow up and realize they aren’t always right.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

And in the end it's like.. what's too early? Fifth grade is entering puberty. Kids should learn about the world of gender, sex, and everything, ideally before they enter it. You can't exactly delay puberty because it's "inappropriate". It's always appropriate because that's when that development happens.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Ive met a few parents over the years who believed no one should ever receive sex education, because religion and reasons. Regardless of age.

[-] Cpo@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

She was removed from her classroom in March after a parent complained she’d read “My Shadow is Purple” to her class, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which represents her.

Edit: ~Ratting on the teacher and then hiding behind some law firm. Nicely done bigots, nicely done.~

And I agree that that age is the age to start simple education on topics like this.

I cannot fathom why some parents think "lets not educate them and then abolish abortion".

Shame on them.

[-] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

The Southern Poverty Law center is basically an antihate organization. They track hate groups throughout the US and are a major boggeyman of the right. The article isn't very clear, but I think they are representing the teacher, not the parent.

[-] Cpo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Ah good one! Sounds way more logical 😅

[-] mookulator@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

It can be taught in simple terms was earlier than 5th grade. My two year old knows sometimes you say he, sometimes you say she, sometimes you say they. It’s not outlandish at all.

[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

That is exactly how the nazi's operated. Do not be afraid to call the current Republicans nazi's.

[-] Niggling__Niggard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The plural of nazi is nazis. "Nazi's" is the possessive form.

[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oh ok good to know there are many nazis

[-] starrox@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

banana republics gonna banana republic

[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Banana republic

In political science, the term banana republic describes a politically and economically unstable country with an economy dependent upon the export of natural resources.

I think a lot of folks using this term to describe the US don't actually know what it means so leaving the wiki to hopefully help. The US is a lot of things, but it isn't a banana republic.

[-] JazzAlien@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago
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