Kinda bummed but also a good choice unless it was Luke and someone else.
Don't really need Linus opening his mouth right now.
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Tarren would be interesting, but I suspect he is probably very hesitant to go live and unfiltered. He has seen how that worked for his predecessor :/
WAN Show's real appeal (to me, at least) has always been the unfiltered and real time conversations. Though as of late, those conversations have been more about creating controversy then real discussion 😐
Agreed, that is why I like it as well. A lot of the controversy is the community taking their unfiltered words and twisting them, rather than listening for the actual intent that is being expressed. Without the Luke saves Linus would have burned the whole company to the ground a long time ago. Hard R etc :D
If you use a phrase in a way nobody else uses, and asks people to read your mind for what you actually meant, then you already failed as a public facing communicator.
Iirc Linus genuinely thought "hard R" refered to the word starting with R (r****d), not the one ending in R (n****r). He thought he was using it the same as everyone else, unaware that no he very much was not. Meanwhile, Luke was watching his career flash before his eyes
Less factual input and more "bro this just sucks, trust me".
I'm glad they recognize the gravity of the situation and are treating this as a true existential moment for the company.
I'm pretty sure Linus saw the absolute shitstorm he was about to face in all 3 chats, and ran the other way.
Either that or the whole management team had to drag him away kicking and screaming so he wouldn't throw more oil into the fire.
Yvonne said she was the one that put her foot down after his post. The entire vibe I got out of that apology video was "alright, we're raining in Linus and fixing this shit"
My guess is this. Tong probably said "Linus, shut the fuk up and disappear for a little bit".
As much as I like WAN show, it does seem a bit symptomatic of the overwork. They go until after midnight on a Friday night? And frequently they call someone who should be home?
Merch messages have metastasized it a bit. Maybe they should just prerecord it during work hours, and answer merch messages from the previous week? Would be less interactive, but most of the curated merch messages seem to be general questions anyway, rather than topic specific questions? They could still automatically show current merch messages in the banner as the video goes live?
I at least hope they are either paying Dan overtime or letting him shift his hours around.
Hope Dan is getting reimbursed as well, though if Madison's claim about time off is to be believed, I don't have much confidence in that.
A bit of a side tangent, but the way Linus talks to Dan has always kinda rubbed me the wrong way. There's jokey "Dan wants me to do this but I'm gonna do this instead" banter that's ok but there are times where Linus just seems to openly disregard Dan and blame him for his own fuckups on the show. Not trying to be a parasocial Andy here but it does make the podcast harder to listen to, imo.
Linus has this attitude with everyone. The reason you see it more with Dan is because it's Live.
He has an attitude problem
Yeah, I was really annoyed when, during the Billet Labs monoblock "review" video, I saw Linus berating his cohost for not guessing shit he wanted, while the cohost was very obviously trying his best to do all he could while respectfully staying out of Linus's way.
And that's just one example in a single video.
Damned if you do, damned is you don't. You just can't win.
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It's really off-putting to me too, even if it was truly fake banter. And I'm no longer sure it's even mostly fake banter.
I know what you mean. Without knowing their personal relationship it can seem a bit cruel at times.
They went about this in the last episode and Dan was actually so into it that Linus felt bad.
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Yes he does, he gets reminded quite often to put in the overtime
That's good, thanks for letting us know, I must have missed it whenever that has been said.
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That's the exact same thing I'm thinking every time I'm watching. I wouldn't stay at work after midnight on every single Friday that's for sure.
But when you take in over $10k an hour in merch, you might put up with it.
Their leaked internal WAN Show dashboard:
That's crazy.
Another symptom of the overwork is that I believe they're late to start most weeks?
If they continue it meant they value tradition more than righting the wrongs. Remember that it's deep seated tradition that allowed the work culture to fester in the first place.
Not to mention all the chats would be bombarded.
Lastly I think Dan deserves a break.
Good. They need to take this shit seriously. This could be (imo should be) the end of LTT.
Why should it be the end of LTT? That's so not constructive! We should strive toward forcing a change at the company, but not ending its existence! There are many people employed there, and whatever has occurred regarding Madison, only a fraction of those working there 9 to 5 will have had anything to do with it.
I'm not in the crowd of should be, and I'm all for second chances. But, I could see why someone wouldn't want Linus, and a company under his name, to not be successful because of who he is and what's happening. Liking a product but not the person behind it is ok. Making a choice not to support either is also ok.
Does anyone have any suitable "alternatives" in podcasts which are similar to the WAN Show in atmosphere? (As in: longer conversations about tech-adjecent topics) I don't feel comfortable wanting to go near LMG's content (my only consistent watching was the WAN Show to be frank) after these discoveries.
Probably the level 1 techs various shows, used to be one big thing but now I think they release different "categories" each day or something, it's been a while since I've watched them, damn you YouTube messing with my feed.
The Waveform podcast is pretty decent. It's MKBHD's podcast.
Jay-Z 2 cents has a pod called RTFM if you like his content. Not necessarily the same but still in the tech world.
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