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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 95 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (67 children)

Guess I'm another proud ban of the world news .ml instance. Honestly, the pettiness of the mods over there is insane. They're a cult. I can't help but think they're at least partly hijacked by some state sponsored astroturfing campaign.

[–] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 36 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (21 children)

I am so relieved to hear those bans aren’t uncommon.

I’m new from Reddit (where I was similarly banned for questioning questionable news sources in relatively niche subs), and I was so sure this was a set up that fostered a bit more conversation and etiquette, like waayyy forever ago. So I was pretty upset when I got eviscerated for trying to argue a coherent point there in favor of using media literacy tools in order to help evaluating sources for bias and funding.

I, too, am quite suspicious, given those mods and associated power posters on lemmy.ml, that there is a coordinated propaganda campaign there. Or, there are some turbo-nerd-tankies that regurgitate it at the speed of light of their own volition.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 53 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Tankies, like other fash, tend to push others out of spaces due to their vileness. I think it's just a self-reinforcing cycle rather than coordination.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

When I understood they're descendents of ChapoTraphouse it all made sense. Half are righty astroturfers posing; some other sizable chunk are assuredly edgy teenagers. Some are foreign operatives. The rest are, frankly, the duped.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If you're new from Reddit, welcome!

I, too, am quite suspicious, given those mods and associated power posters on lemmy.ml, that there is a coordinated propaganda campaign there. Or, there are some turbo-nerd-tankies that regurgitate it at the speed of light of their own volition.

Yes, and yes.

I just blocked both of the .ml instances and a few others that tended to ideologically brigade every sub. Has dramatically improved my experience here. Before that, trying to block individual users was like swatting flies near a manure pile: a never-ending battle. Eventually you realize you simply need to move away from the manure pile.

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[–] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Couple weeks back I got a 30 day. Made no comment in their instance. Was a random preemptive ban. The mod account listed the reason as a rule 4 violation. That's their rule for spam and ads.

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[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 20 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The modlog there is wonderful. Bans all over the place without context to the reasons, what the banned might have done, or who was the mod

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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They banned me from memes because I won an argument with the mod about how Credit Scores work in the USA.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How dare you suggest Xi Xinping isn't the greatest benefactor of humanity of all times, you filthy capitalist pig? And I'm only slightly exaggerating here.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 72 points 7 months ago (15 children)

It's reassuring that most people have forgotten about hexbear.

[–] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Isn't lemm.ee still federated with hexbear? I used to have an account over there and fled to .world when the admin refused to stop apologizing for their God awful behavior.

[–] SeedyOne@lemm.ee 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

We are but I just use a Lemmy viewer that can block entire instances, problem solved.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Think a lot of big places defederated with lemmygrad and hexbear. .ml slipped under the radar, so you have to block it manually.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (8 children)

Nah lemmy.ml didn't slip under the radar, it's intentionally still federated with because it's the main instance of the core lemmy developers. Said developers also own and operate lemmygrad, but lemmy.ml is meant to be neutral ground.

lemmy.ml never really used to be that bad, either. It was only after the mass defederation of hexbear that users from there started making alt accounts in other instances, lemmy.ml being one of the main ones and, unfortunatley, lemm.ee getting its share also. lemmy.ml is still ostensibly neutral ground, however now it has a pack of refugee users skewing how its perceived.

I think feddit.uk is still federated with hexbear btw.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago

Nah man, I've been banned twice now simply for mentioning that time Russia shot down a civilian airliner over Ukraine. .ml is very fucking far from neutral.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

i left .ml because i kept getting banned when arguing with tankies

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 55 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Governments can and should be criticized without bigotry towards the governed populace. We should always take the side of the civilians, as we are civilians too.

It is in fact these governments producing massive amounts of propaganda to demonize “the other side.” What might they have to gain from global culture wars such as this?

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[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 51 points 7 months ago (12 children)

I got several comments deleted on .ml for insulting bitch ass pooh bear Xi, even called racist as if dictator is a race.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 42 points 7 months ago (31 children)

I got banned from a ml community for saying NATO is a defensive alliance lol.

[–] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago (13 children)

Same. They can't allow acknowledgement of Europe being in the most peaceful span of its recorded history thanks to the EU and NATO. That cooperation and allowing people to be different but still respectful has been a success for many.

They're stuck in the burn it all down phase of being an edgy teenager that finds out life is hard. Unfair. And kinda sucks sometimes. That humans aren't perfect and therefore our societies and systems also aren't perfect.

But they'd throw it all away instead of iterating on what already works. My job is literally process improvement and change management. People who try to come up with the best idea on their own fail. It's diversity of thought and background that leads to the best solutions.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (18 children)

Yes, I've read Marx and Engels. Yes, I've read Conquest Of Bread. Yes, I've read Lenin. Yes, I've read up on the history of socialist movements.

But yeah, I'm just an ignorant anti-tankie swine. If I read one more Holy Text, THEN I would be enlightened.

I adore Marx, and the only reason I don't regard myself as a Marxist is because I'm not married to many of his interpretations which have been somewhat superseded by later sociological theory on the importance of non-material conditions and postmodernist critiques of structured narratives within the soft sciences. But hey, I'm just some right-wing chud, clearly. I hold every opinion ascribed to me in this comment thread despite often and on this very website espousing the literal opposite position.

This is why tankies and their apologists are so fucking insufferable.

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[–] Liz@midwest.social 37 points 7 months ago (5 children)

The fun part about being federated with Hexbear is seeing extremely team-based world views that are different from the ones I normally see. I'm used to seeing people who are blindly pro-America. It's weird seeing people who can't imagine China ever doing anything wrong.

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

Ah so that's why when I compared the smearing of student protests in the US on the grounds of "anti-semitism" as similar to China calling student protests "counter-revolutionary" I got slapped down by someone for "always criticizing China" and my comment was removed.

I'd never even mentioned Chine until that point so I found it completely bizarre.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (94 children)

I see so much whining about tankies, and so few tankies.

Once world has defederated from .ml, which is the next instance to be designated the tankie instance?

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (12 children)

I've been an active user since before lemmy.world, although I'm new to my current instance. Anecdotal but I now see far more comments to the effect of "tankies sure are gonna hate this", where tankies then never show up, than those where they do.

It's especially comical with the Lemmy.world users as their instance has blocked the largest sources of tankies. Even my alts in instances that haven't blocked .ml don't see anywhere near as many tankies as people griping about these tanky boogymen that have yet to arrive. I've even seen people who obviously aren't tankies or even tanky adjacent being accused of being one. I've been accused of being one for just pointing this all out.

I'll suggest a possibly unpopular opinion: the term tankies is turning into Lemmy's equivalent of "woke" - many of those using the term don't seem to know exactly what it means and its loose definition is expanding toward "anyone I don't like".

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[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

State run capitalism is not the way

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

No, don't worry, Socialist Billionaires With Chinese Characteristics will TOTALLY be conducive to the formation of a worker's state. /s

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