It’s a relief to hear that Israeli citizens are against what their government is doing.
this post was submitted on 05 May 2024
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Netanyahu has never been very popular. He's just good at making backroom deals. Remember that Israel has a bunch of political parties, so it's always about coalitions and he's been really good at getting everyone in the right-wing parties on his side. Now he's working on putting laws in place that will make him dictator for life.
And you don't have to believe me on that last part, ask his former best friend: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-798324
They have been for a while. There were huge protests all last year. For that matter there were protests in Palestine last summer against Hamas. Frankly this entire war was very good for both Netanyahu and Hamas.
There's a protest I can get behind...
Hear, hear! This is fantastic. The people who can change the state of Israel are the Israeli people. I hope their voices are heard.
Just a bunch of God damn Anti-Semites... Waaiit a minute...
They should ship the NYPD or Texas Rangers over there to crush this dissent.
Whoa, who would've guessed there are so many anti-Semites in Israel!?
The self hatred is strong in them /s
Would be awesome if there was some kind of endorsement from these people for the student protests. “We got the Israel’s people’s support” should shut down any anti semitic claim (for sane people at least)
I think Israeli apologists have become a little too conditioned to jump to weaponised charges of antisemitism. It's been so easy and effective to deploy for so long that it's a bit of an addiction, and they're just going to keep slamming that button expecting it to keep paying out even though it's not working any more.
Let’s compare a couple of points of view:
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“I don’t feel safe walking through the middle of these protests!” - bad faith assholes trying to make the protests antisemitic. Of course, he could just not walk right through them.
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“…” —> dead silence of a slaughtered Palestinian child whose entire apartment building fell on her in her sleep.
One of these points of view has a voice right now, because one of these actors is alive right now.
There's already Jewish groups in the protest crowds.
They already just lump them in as Anti-Semitic. The ADL even complained that a Jewish led protest had the temerity to march past a synagogue.
I'm not sure that can ever happen. the student protests:
- a lot of people don't really have an idea what's going on. Maybe they just wanna feel part of it after years of isolation during Covid, but they're not interested in the Protest and the Topic itself. Endorsing such a "fake" protest would discredit the Israeli protest
- there are people on these student protests who are hardline radicalized and want the entirety of Israel removed and also deny the Hamas attrocities as "zionist propaganda". They aren't interested in a Solution invoving Israel. only if they are removed from the Protests can the two groups work together.
I think it'd work better if the Student Protests endorsed the Israeli Protest. This way it would show the World that they're interested not in a destruction of Israel but in a peaceful end to this War. This way they would also force all the radical People out of the Student Protests and thus give them more credibility and even pave the way for the Israeli Protests to endorse the Student ones.
All of you antisemites should be ashamed of yourselves! I'm Jewish, so I can say it though.
Fuck Netanyahu and fuck this genocidal war
Your comment just seems like a good one to add this to. It is not any form of commentary on you or you comment
So the word Semite refers to pretty much everyone who lived in the now middle east. It is a pretty old and mostly outdated word. That was surprising enough created by some white Europeans, who were busy categorizing the world from their safe office of their learned institutions.
Here is a map of the languages that are considered semitic as a rough idea the people that could fall under this term
Obviously antisemitism is used to refer to Jewish people, though it is really being used incorrectly. It should be used in a way that someone hates both Jew and Arabs, and a few other groups too.
Anyway you all have a little bit of useless knowledge.
Your knowledge might be incorrect, I believed that before too but it seems to have never been used like that, it has always been against the Jews. Word usage is sometimes not aligned with etymology.
Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who incorrectly assert that it refers to racist hatred directed at "Semitic people" in spite of the fact that this grouping is an obsolete historical race concept. Likewise, such usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus was first used in print in Germany in 1879[17] as a "scientific-sounding term" for Judenhass (lit. 'Jew-hatred'),[18][19][20][21][22] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.[18][23][24]
Bottom of the introduction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
I never said it had been used like that, just if the term was not being used properly when you considered the meaning of the root word.
You said:
antisemitism is used to refer to Jewish people, though it is really being used incorrectly.
The present meaning as well as the original meaning when it was coined was referring to Jewish people, even if it doesn't align with its etymology. So using it to name hate against Jewish people is correct.
That also implies that using antisemitism to name hate against Arabic would be incorrect. Though you may try to redefine the term, write a couple of articles and books and maybe in 50 years it will be considered correct usage.
Okay if you are going to quote me please quote it fully.
Obviously antisemitism is used to refer to Jewish people,
Also if you had read further down the Wikipedia article you would have seen this paragraph
The origin of "antisemitic" terminologies is found in the responses of Moritz Steinschneider to the views of Ernest Renan. As Alex Bein writes: "The compound anti-Semitism appears to have been used first by Steinschneider, who challenged Renan on account of his 'anti-Semitic prejudices' [i.e., his derogation of the "Semites" as a race]."[27] Avner Falk similarly writes: "The German word antisemitisch was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider (1816–1907) in the phrase antisemitische Vorurteile (antisemitic prejudices). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterise the French philosopher Ernest Renan's false ideas about how 'Semitic races' were inferior to 'Aryan races'".
So there is some historical use where it refers to more than just Jewish people.
Oh and I looked up this Ernest Renan. He was a very hateful guy. He definitely hated Jewish people, though he pretty much hated everyone that wasn't white and Christian. He probably had mixed feelings about anyone who wasn't French too.
Look I have no agenda here. I am not trying to diminish real racism. I just find it interesting that a word has changed the common understanding of its root word.
I also find it interesting that both the Arabic and Hebrew greetings. Have the same root word, sound very similar, and both translate to peace. It just doesn't feel relevant to my original comment.
Edit forgot the word greetings
I don't think you have any agenda. I think nothing else that what I wrote, especially because I used to think like what you wrote before, so I wanted to help you and other readers with more information. I quoted what is the most obviously incorrect in your comment. The information you added now doesn't change the fact that this quote is incorrect.
Well you are entitled to your opinion. I do find it pretty bold of you though to assume you know how I think.
I don't assume anything about you, I'm strictly answering to your comment and nothing else. Considering the multiple sources backing up the claim in the Wikipedia article, I don't think it's just my opinion.
😢 I'm a failure of a racist
I'm Jewish, so I can say it though?
Do you think pointing out a genocide is like the N word or something?
I think they were being sarcastic, playing with the criticizing Israel's government = antisemitism nonsense
Ah ok, you know it's hard catching sarcasm when the internet is full of crazy people. That's why /s exists. Specially hard when this is an actual card played by pro-israel jews.
Will the White House label them anti-Semitic as well?
Bingo!
Netanyahu should at the very least call an election as a referendum of his recent choices.
Without knowing Israel's political landscape, I'm inclined to agree, but I don't think 'a referendum on our policies' is part of the right-wing playbook
It would not surprise me in the least to see future history books list one of the reasons for Netanyahu's escalation of genocide include that he wanted to stop the corruption trial he's in the middle of right now.
Yeah, conservatives is all about:
“51% of you have us power a long time ago, this is all on you.”
Israelis will be lucky if Netanyahu ever calls an election again until he dies.
It would be easier to get trump to respect the gag order he’s under in his court cases
The whole reason Netanyahu won’t stop this war is because the second he does he’s removed from office by their courts.
But we changed the definition of antisemitic. They can't do this! \s
Either these people all antisemites, or Dana Bash on CNN lied to me.
😮
But Dana would never!
I do think there is a difference between people and their governments and I while I do hope that Israelis do not agree with their government with their actions to the Palestinians and and the people of gaza there was a poll conducted a couple of months ago that showed 58% of believed that the IDF wasn't using enough force and another 37% believed that they were using the appropriate amount of force. I'd like to believe that it's changed since then but I'm not sure.
If the polls are meant for propaganda instead of informing anyone of the truth. It's not hard to stack polls even if you accept all responses. Just add the bias to the study population selection.
I hope ‘resignation’ is code for some far, far worse and drawn out.