Alright let's settle this once and for all: Emojis in a sentence are placed before a period 🤔? Or should they be placed after?🤔 (lemmy.world)

submitted 4 months ago by FatTony@lemmy.world to c/casualconversation@lemm.ee

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[-] FleetingTit@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Emojis generally replace the period but come after a question mark or exclamation point.

Can I borrow your pen? 😊

I borrowed your pen 😅

You little shit! 👿

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 4 months ago

I treat them as a separate element to the text, and as such aren't really part of the punctuation or grammar, so I try to keep any at the end of the entire message to convey the actual expression I had making it. 😉

[-] ZDL@ttrpg.network 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

¿Por que no los dos🙃?🙃

(Edited to add proper punctuation for the language. Thanks @squirrel!)

[-] Peanutbuttergrits@reddthat.com 1 points 4 months ago

Never, is the appropriate answer.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

They’re for languages when mood cannot be derived from wording alone. So, sometimes? 🤷‍♂️

[-] ZDL@ttrpg.network 1 points 4 months ago

What language prevents you from establishing mood in wording alone? (Well, wording+punctuation, at any rate.)

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you're an adult, neither.

Use your words.

We went from cavemen communicating through crude paintings on rock walls. We evolved complex speech over hundreds of thousands of years; leading to commerce, culture and civilisation itself.

We created great works of literature and began using language to carry our knowledge forward to each new generation, accelerating our growth...

...just to end up right back at fucking cave paintings.

[-] ZDL@ttrpg.network 1 points 4 months ago

I have a question for you, and it's a serious one.

What, precisely, do you think cave paintings were used for if it wasn't to carry knowledge forward to each new generation? Do you think they were just decorative?

[-] thepreciousboar@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

We did not invent words to carry knowledge and improve oir culture, we invented writing, and guess what, alphabets and words only came in thousands of years after that. Before it we had cuneiforms and various forms of pictograms, so don't assume the superiority of strictly alphabetic languages over other forms of communications.

Let's take english as a language, its capacity to convey emotion is quite limited as it was not born a language for literature. Language evolve, new forms of communication are born and merge with existing ones and together they are more powerful. It's not like we will switch to emoji only, altough if an emoji only culture existed, they would frown upon our "inexpressive, needlessly verbose weird letters" just like you are doing. Don't underestimate the scare of cultural changes over convention choices

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

Cuneiform was a syllabic language. It had words and structure. It wasn't just "impressions of ideas" like pictographs. (Source: Near Eastern Archaeology was quite literally my university major)

So in no way am I referring only to "alphabetic" languages as you seem to imply. And Cuneiform is included in what I was talking about...language. Whether that's writing the epic of Gilgamesh or giving someone the worlds first bad yelp review.

Saying words didn't exist until indo-european alphabets emerged is frankly ridiculous.

[-] ZDL@ttrpg.network 1 points 4 months ago

Saying that words didn't exist before we had writing of any kind is risible.

Writing, in the end, is intended to reflect speech, not the other way around. Writing as an invention (even in ur-forms like cave paintings) was intended to provide a way of recording speech in ways that allowed later use of it.

[-] FatTony@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You phrase all this as a negative but I think it is in fact a very beautiful way to look at it. A true shift going back to our bare roots of human literature.😃

I am not pulling your leg here. I do think it is actually a really interesting thought you put here. I just don't see it in a negative sense.

In fact, what are words if not deep-rooted human expressions? What would that make emojis in the first place?