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A conservative plan for Donald Trump’s potential transition into the presidency calls for dozens of prisoners to be executed, according to HuffPost. An 887-page plan by Project 2025, led by the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation, says that if elected, Trump should make a concerted effort to execute the remaining 40 prisoners on death row. The section’s author, attorney Gene Hamilton, advised that Trump “do everything possible to obtain finality” on the current list of people until Congress forces them to stop. Hamilton is the vice president of America Legal First, a group of former Trump lawyers bent on attacking “woke” companies, headed by Stephen Miller. Trump’s approach to the death penalty stands in stark contrast to that of President Joe Biden, who has openly opposed the death penalty, but done little to move forward legislation to reform or abolish the practice since entering office.

For those of you not in the know Project 2025 is Republicans plan to turn the USA into an authoritarian state.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 97 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There's a series of detective novels I've been reading for years. Bernie Gunther is a WW1 veteran who joined the Berlin police force in the 1920s, and left when his Jewish boss was fired by the Nazis. Author is Philip Kerr.

In one of the novels, Bernie runs into an old cop pal and they have a drink. The cop tells Bernie that there were about 30 executions in all of Germany the year before the Nazis took over, and there have already been over 200 this year. The cop wonders how far it's going to go?

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That sounds interesting as fuck, is that Berlin Noir?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 27 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Yes. Each book is a stand alone, but they do go in 'historical' order.

Slightly off topic. Max Allan Collins Nate Heller books are 'hard boiled historicals.' The latest "Too Many Bullets' covers the Bobby Kennedy assassination.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thank you! You just gave me a whole new series to dive into. Super excited.

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[–] Zanderlus@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I might have to check that series out. Thank you.

It actually reminds me a bit of Babylon Berlin, a German noir show which was based off the Gereon Rath series by Volker Kutscher.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 72 points 6 months ago (18 children)

Look, can we just collectively agree -- all of us who are left of center -- to work together and set our differences aside until after this election? Now really isn't the time for us to be divided. We need to first curb stomp the fascists, so we don't all get killed

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't disagree...but the party-line Democrats have been telling progressives exactly that since the Clinton administration.

Again, to be clear: I'm happily voting Biden this November, but the Democratic party has become very good at doing just enough to keep their core loyal while also doing nowhere near enough to keep the country out of constant existential peril, effectively cultivating that crisis as a (pardon the pun) trump card that they then use to tell progressives "what you want is less important than the current crisis! Just go along with us in this election and we pinky swear to do more for your causes!".

They know if they move left they'll be displaced by a combination of progressive candidates and centrists, so they have basically adopted the strategy of keeping the right just dangerous enough to be credible while keeping their left flank secured with a drip feed of snail's pace "progress".

[–] at_an_angle@lemmy.one 22 points 6 months ago (9 children)

I'm voting Biden, but not happily.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

I can't really disagree with you. The issue is we have reached the actual point where the current crisis dwarfs all others. Maybe I was just younger then, but it didn't feel like we had such existential threats in the Bush and Obama years. I remember people said that Romney winning would be the apocalypse, but it's laughable to say that would've been the case in hindsight.

I think what we can take heart in is that we've been seeing a gradual increase in progressiveness in the party. And not just a small constant increase, but a significantly growing one. There are a nontrivial number of Congressional members who are incredibly progressive, and they've shifted the mood of the party notably leftward. The Inflation Reduction Act was a historic level of climate spending, to the point that Europe felt pressured to pass similar legislation. And the IRA actually closed the corporate tax loophole too -- large corporations raking in billions in profits now have to pay a minimum 15%, even if they could previously loophole their way to $0.

I wish things were faster. Gaza in particular has highlighted to me just how frustrating it is for things to only improve at a snail's pace. And specifically with Gaza, I don't think the progress is actually amounting to material changes.

We are seeing material changes in other areas though. Healthcare could be a hell of a lot better, but as someone who relied on Obamacare for a few years, things have actually improved for people. The important thing is that we don't lose heart, and that we keep pushing for better. The US has a rich history of leftists persevering to accomplish women's suffrage, civil rights, labor rights, and gay rights and equality. As long as we press forward, just like they did, we'll be successful. The arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice and good.

If we could just bury the fascists for good, we could start to make serious progress.

[–] JdW@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Left of center? You mean left from totally bonkers actual Fascists....

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

We're gonna need a bigger tent

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[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 63 points 6 months ago (13 children)

They want blood. No matter the route. If I can ask anything of my fellow liberals is that you arm yourselfs. I'm not saying we take to the streets with weapons. I'm saying we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

When the nazis came to power, they forcibly took away the guns of their victims. They'd send a squad of SS to your house, surround it, and force you to give up the gun. If you didn't, they'd kill you, if you did, they still got you in the end.

Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn't survive.

If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

The first thing the nazis did, was purge the bureaucracy. Taking away guns was no concern, at all.

Privately owned guns played no significant role in the nazis' rise to or hold on power. Anything else is simply marketing by american gun sellers.

Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn’t survive.

About 10-15,000 jewish germans survived the holocaust by going underground in Germany. They were colloquially called U-Boote or Illegale. Of course, that has nothing to do with guns. Guns were, after all, handed out to any able-bodied male.

If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.

That is only partly true. Germans are only a small fraction of holocaust victims (<5%). The victims overwhelmingly came from eastern Europe, particularly Poland and the Soviet Union. The holocaust happened in the wake of the advancing Wehrmacht. A more far-sighted response to german war preparations would have made a difference. A lesson one must bear in mind in today's world.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, it's a fucking joke to assume that guns are a hedge against fascism. They'll take your guns or shoot you. Maybe there's some protection in being an organised group in the moment, but if they want to get you they'll get you.

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[–] havocpants@lemm.ee 28 points 6 months ago (4 children)

There will be insanity if he's allowed to run at all.

There should be no way for people to participate in a democracy they have attempted to overthrow, and these fuckers are absolutely going to try again. It will be a shitshow. I hope the US justice system comes through, but it will be a very dangerous time for America if Trump and his cronies are not prosecuted for their crimes before the next election.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

I have some bad news.

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[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins

We should also all be prepared for the absolute insanity that will ensue if he loses. I fear we will have a more violent insurrection this time around and maybe even local violence in some areas.

[–] whereisk@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Nah, without control of the levers of government they're just terrorists. Don't forget that the government was well warned about Jan 6, and Trump's team actively suppressed preparation and response. It's not going to be the same if Biden is in office.

[–] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There will be no local violence. His supporters are riding rascals through Walmart, the few that could participate will turn and run when shit gets real, just like 1/6

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I'm not saying we take to the streets with weapons

Then you're doing nothing but shilling for the gun lobby, who immediately donate millions to the worst Republicans.

If you're going to advocate guns, you should be willing to tell people what to use them for.

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[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 59 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Jesus: don't abort those fetuses because life begins at conception.

Also Jesus: fuck these adults, let them fry.

Very cool and consistent, a serious political party here.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

You frame it as a contradiction, but this is very nakedly the nature of a patriarchal theocracy.

There's no real conflict between the view of a dictatorial Israeli King as someone who treats woman as chattel and endorses state execution of prisoners. This is all over the old testament and common enough in the New Testament Letters from Paul not to be remarkable.

Very cool and consistent, a serious political party here.

They're deadly serious. It's the 1980s all over again, folks.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They love to appear tough as long as they don't get their own hands dirty.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago (2 children)

My plan only calls for one execution if Trump wins.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

Oh this is a non-story. Look, if trump gets in, there’ll be plenty of killing. Enough for everyone. He’s got it all figured out.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 months ago (3 children)

they strayed so far from what conservatism actually is. it's ridiculous.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Conservatism at its core is 'just' wanting to keep the status quo. Which itself is imho already pointless, but it's not too bad.

It however, is not reactionary.

These people are reactionary to the mediaeval extent. But we preach to the choir. Try getting those people who themselves believe in those ideas, that they don't work....

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

Conservatism is a reaction to progress. It’s inherently reactionary.

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[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

I thought this too. Current events spurred me to look at history for context. Quoting Ed Abbey; "Neoconservative? Theres nothing new about it, its old as time and evil as hell."

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

Just getting ready to open the ovens.

(The GOP really really wants ovens )

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

As soon as I read the headline I knew Baby Goebbels was involved.

[–] Seraph@kbin.social 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They also plan on killing dozens if he loses. A non-story indeed.

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 9 points 6 months ago

Dozens? Surely a lot more than that. He was pretty enthused when it seemed like his political opponents were going to die, last time around; he's just too timid and thick to be able to make it happen through his own volition. In a next time around I think a lot of the guard rails that stopped it from happening would be removed.

[–] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Let’s be real, they START by executing prisoners Pretty soon anything but their political party & their religion is made illegal so anyone daring to say otherwise gets arrested / imprisoned / executed.

The first thing Nazis did was make other political parties illegal. That and they came for trans people

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