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[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 71 points 1 month ago

So basically American cars are 2x overpriced rn

[-] juicy@lemmy.today 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, and it's poor Americans who need a vehicle to buy groceries and get to work everyday who are getting shafted while the automakers rake in the profits. Not to mention the environmental costs of driving on fossil fuels.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Maybe we should get our politicians to invest in, say, mass transit. Seems pretty obvious

[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Why would they do that when they get bribes from automakers.

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[-] 5in1k@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

I’m not working in the conditions the Chinese have decided is ok. They can be poor and live in barracks at factories, I like free time and money.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Big 3 copium as usual.

Eventually they'll do what Japense OEMs did and open factories in the USA.

[-] Kata1yst@kbin.social 35 points 1 month ago

I mean, that's precisely the ideal case and goal of many tariffs.

[-] Mataresian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

Only I think they're already opening factories in Mexico. Which again isn't a terrible situation either.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago
[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 37 points 1 month ago

How about American companies just learn to compete? The same bullshit is why we can't get a fucking normal sized truck in this country.

[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

How about American workers learn to work for the same wages and working conditions.

If you want companies to pay a living wage with strong unions and safe working conditions, then competition with other places that don't bother with those things becomes near impossible.

See: The factories that iPhone is built in

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

They aren't sweeping Chinese cars under the road here as much as they are sweeping an actually affordable, practical EV option that could easily win the mass market and shift the status quo away from ICE engine vehicles at scale.

Bigger problem is, that while blocking the Chinese options, they won't give us a similar option at that same affordable cost.

[-] exanime@lemmy.today 30 points 1 month ago

Ah, the free* market at work

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[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 28 points 1 month ago

Read as: The only way they can compete with Chinese vehicles is 100% tariff

[-] draughtcyclist@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Well yeah. The companies are state subsidized and a good bit of the tech is stolen from electric car companies in other countries that actually have to pay for R&D.

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

So Musk doesn't get any tax incentives and write offs?

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[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

that is the same myth that big pharma explains why Americans pay so much more for medicine.

https://newrepublic.com/article/153864/innovation-drug-price-myth

US automakers have expressed that they are fine economically making expensive cars for rich people. of course that is after 80 years of lobbying to under cut public transit and trains.

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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 22 points 1 month ago

i wouldnt hate this so much if america produced quality automobiles. but we dont. so watch people pay double for something that will last twice as long.

even at equal pricing, they just push out better quality than we can seem to muster

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf 13 points 1 month ago
[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Considering how many Boeing aircraft are out there operating every day and how very little we hear about issues I am not sure this is an effective example.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Not as if Chinese EV were any good though...

[-] mdd@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

I've been reading reviews from EU and Australia. The initial quality has improved a lot.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Long term/long distance reliability is what will probably be the biggest issue.

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[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Great news after Tesla cancelled it's plans for an entry model. Green for me not for thee.

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[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Blatantly anti-competitive practices. We don't have a free market in the US. Shit is expensive so the wealthy can continue to profit at record levels while citizens pay the price. Why try to compete when you can protect the wealthy and make your country suffer?

[-] profdc9@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

The CCP can artificially depress the value of their currency and subsidize their industries indefinitely. They are doing this on the backs of their workers, who should earn more for their labor. They are doing this because their own workers are too poor to provide sufficient domestic demand for their consumer goods, however, this strategy just makes their workers poorer, exacerbating the problem. Chinese exports should be used to make their economy self-sustaining, but they just perpetuate economic bubbles and malinvestment that cause economic stagnation. Neither domestic nor international commerce has never been free of interference or fair.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

and subsidize their industries indefinitely

People keep saying this that are fully aware the US subsidizes its industries too. Yeah? They subsidize their electric vehicles? Fuckin good!

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago

China doesn't have the worker protections that the US has, the same level of gov't support, nor the environmental rules that the US has. It's only anti-competitive if there is a level playing field.

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[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Because China would be wise to subsidize their auto industry to sell at a loss just long enough to kill the American & European auto industry forcing us to buy Chinese vehicles.

[-] Maddier1993@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago

this is the japanese scare all over again

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Free market for thee, but not for mee.

I don't actually mind the US protecting their economy from a predatory one that is more powerful - but I'd like USians to remember this when their politicians argue for war against 3rd world countries that want to protect their economies from the US.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Jesus Christ he's actually trying to lose this election.

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