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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

They're killing Russians, so their historical political leanings don't really matter.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago

It's a bad article anyway. It's not wrong in the words it uses, but they purposely left out most of the political dynamics after 2014. Context and full history is important.

The Volkswagen is of actual Nazi origin, but that doesn't seem to ruffle any feathers these days.

Now, if you really want to hear something confusing, there are Russian citizen units that actually are fully far-right, are open about it, are fighting against Russia and using Ukraine as a staging point for incursions into Russia.

There is plenty of things to complain about in that part of the world, for sure. Considering Ukraine is being invaded, we can put some political gripes on pause for a second. Ukraine needs every person it can get right now as long as they are fighting for similar enough causes. The past can be addressed soon enough but it won't matter if there is no Ukraine left to resolve those issues.

It's also worthy of note that this specific messaging has been amplified 10x by Russian media and I am sure plenty of half-truths have been implanted as fact in many articles and stories. Unless I missed something, there wasn't a listed author for that article. Given that it is essentially a cherry picked blurb out of Wikipedia, makes the actual purpose of it suspect. (However, I have seen many times where author names are left off of controversial articles. It's likely a safety thing.)

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

well put. And:

Putin's a bigger fascist than anyone else.

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, like it never happened thar US weapons send somewhere to fight Russians were then used for even worse purposes Besides, is killing Russians a good thing? I mean fighting back the invasion is necessary, and it will cause deaths in russians troops but we should wish for a minimum of casualties, we are talking about human lives

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Besides, is killing Russians a good thing?

Yes.

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Alright alright, promoting killing of people based on their country without bothering giving a reason, i see what type of asshole im talking to

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Without giving a reason? They're invaders. If they go home they won't be subject to killing.

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Okay you now have stated a correct reason. I would add two things that can help you refine your way of seeing things :

  • It's probably best to say 'kill Russian invaders' or even 'kill invaders', since the problem is invaders and not Russian (I mean, killing random civilians in Moscow wont help Ukraine, but it's still what you said is good)
  • Insisting on killing is still weird. Killing soldiers is not the goal of fighting an invasion back, it is one way to achieve the real goal : all Russians soldiers out of Ukraine. If that's what you're talking about, i advise you to say 'fighting' instead of 'killing', so it's not mistaken for a random bloodlust against a country.

Now I got to apologize if we agree on all those points, I mistook your shortened thinking for blatant stupidity, which would be my bad

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

All of that is implied, dude

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Happy to hear this. That's the danger of implied things, your message ends up way worse when you dont say them out loud

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It would be pretty hypocritical to give a Israel a genocide hall pass and then give Ukraine a full audit. So I'm not surprised.

Edit to add - Because the comments are already a dumpster fire, let me be clear. The Azov brigade was reformed years ago at this point. I'm mad that they're still getting this level of scrutiny while we give Israel a pass to treat the Geneva Conventions like a checklist.