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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Nice hearing about something Poland is doing right!

[–] clutchmatic@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Poland does many things right

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm sure it does. The thing is I mostly hear about the things Poland does wrong. That's what trends to break into international news. That's why I worded my comment the way I did.

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[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agree 100%. It's just an unhealthy dose of sugar and caffeine, which is hardly regulated.

[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To be fair, it's the same amount of sugar as most other sodas and had less caffeine than a typical coffee. The real issue is that a lot of their marketing targets a younger audience who probably shouldn't be drinking caffeinated drinks yet.

[–] lasagna@programming.dev 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I say this as a long term caffeine for the rest of my life addict. Coffee + sugar is a wildly different effect than just coffee. I avoid sugar completely during my coffee hours.

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[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The most popular energy drinks in Sweden are sugar free but contain 180mg of caffeine, that's two large cups of coffee.

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[–] severien@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Energy drinks often contain a bunch of other stuff - e.g. Taurine, which isn't necessarily bad per se, as it eliminates some of the caffeine side effects (jitteriness), but that may arguably make it more addictive.

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[–] bobman@unilem.org 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not a bad idea.

Now let's stop calling them 'energy' drinks.

[–] June@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Curious what you’d call them.

[–] JenIsBringingTheDrugs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Can't believe it's not energy! drink"

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Caffeine soda.

[–] FrostbyteIX@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Chemical Caffeine"?

"Bull Jizz n Juice"?

Uhh...

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[–] jenniebuckley@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (3 children)

eh, fair enough. teenage energy drink addiction has caused me years of insomnia. we already have an age restriction on energy drinks in the UK, though it's 16 not 18

[–] kingorgg@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't think that's true anymore. The ban wasn't formally finalised and was quietly dropped during the pandemic. The store I work at still sells energy drinks to under 16s. We used to have to check, but they changed it and took the warning off our tills.

ETA: stores can implement their own policies though, if they do wish to age check people buying energy drinks.

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[–] lemmy@lemmy.stonansh.org 65 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That's the most reasonable thing i've read today.

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[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 year ago

Idk what y'all think but honestly I'd say these little cans of poison need a warning lable like cigarettes as well

[–] Jumper775@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (29 children)

Absolutely a good thing. As someone who drank a lot of energy drinks in high school, it was not worth it.

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Sadly, large amounts of caffeine were a way to control my ADHD when I couldn't afford medication. I still usually have an energy drink daily, even though I'm medicated now. At least that's less that what I used to do.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Under 18s?

That's not a very long wait from birth to Monster. Just 18 seconds?

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[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (18 children)

I hope this would also include products like "5 hour energy", which are energy drinks, but in a smaller and even easier to shot down package.

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[–] choroalp@programming.dev 22 points 1 year ago

Rare Poland W

[–] Persen@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Finaly. This should be done in every country, since they are so unhealthy.

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[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was about to ask if he did something new, but then I realized that it wouldn't matter. That whole man is a "situation".

[–] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Excuse me, but this is "the situation".

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[–] Laticauda@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (42 children)
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[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This was also implemented in Lithuania around maybe 5 years ago. Some kids would still get it by asking their parents or strangers to buy them, but they definitely got more rare, to the point where at least where I am, you'd more often see a teen with a ciggie rather than a teen with an energy drink.

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[–] BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

So are they going to ban coffee too for under 18's as well or pretend that doesn't contain the same/more caffeine than an energy drink?

If it's not the caffiene content thats the issue are they going to ban all soft drinks if you are under 18?

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't speak much about Europe, but when I was in the beverage industry about 10 years ago, energy drinks often had ADDITIONAL ingredients (supplements) far beyond caffeine.

If you look on the back of those energy drink cans in the US, they don't say Nutrition Facts, they say Supplement Facts. That is important, it tells you how the item is classified and whether it has to follow FDA rules on Foods or FDA rules on Dietary Supplements (like vitamins do).

And if you look at the list of ingredients in many energy drinks (I have a tub of powdered GFuel before me so I'm refreshing my memory using that--it says "Supplement Facts"), you see a lot of ingredients like L-Tyrosine or L-Citrulline Malate which never appear in anything categorized as a food with the "Nutrition Facts" label on it. These fancy designer ingredients are basically newly-developed things that do not yet have a long-term proven track record of safety when eaten regularly on an everyday basis like a food.

A "food" is expected to be eaten regularly, so the standard of safety is higher for ingredients that go in a "food". There's a specific list the FDA has that lists ingredients considered GRAS (generally regarded as safe). New ingredients have to be evaluated by the FDA to determine whether they can be treated as GRAS, or if they have to have additional regulation if a corporation wants to put them in a food, drink, or supplement.

Corporations, unsurprisingly, LOVE to throw all sorts of newly created ingredients in things, for marketing purposes, so they do a lot of shady shit like labeling their product as a dietary supplement--but marketing it as a food so people think it's a food.

Something classified as a "dietary supplement" (as many energy drinks are) is not meant to be eaten regularly as a food item. It's meant to be consumed less frequently to SUPPLEMENT other things you consume or put in your body. However, people often treat energy drinks as a "food", as if they're the same thing as pop or juice, which could potentially be dangerous to your health because the ingredients in them have not yet proven they have a track record of safety when consumed frequently in food-like amounts. (I'm not really talking about caffeine here, I'm talking about all the OTHER stuff they throw in it.)

Whether a drink is classified as a "supplement" or a "food" is important. It is a big thing, because the regulations for what can be put into something that's a "supplement" is looser than what can be labeled as a "food".

I don't know exactly how Europe draws the lines or what the regulatory landscape is there regarding energy drinks, but it sounds like this ban is possibly because Energy Drinks tend to have ingredients that push the boundary on what is safe eaten in large amounts like a food and what might be more harmful like a drug. Europe is generally stricter than America when it comes to food safety.

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