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One of the most striking lines of evidence is the exit poll discrepancies. There were discrepancies in regions with electronic voting, but not in hand-counted regions, and the discrepancies were almost always biased against Sanders.

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[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 55 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Still remember that video from one of the caucuses in which some kid in a suit was resolving a tied vote with a coin toss (lol, lmao). He blatantly peeked under his hand, maybe even manipulated the coin, before revealing it to the delegates, and no one said anything (lmao lol).

[–] buttwater@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

Think that was Iowa, with the whole Shadow app fiasco

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This tracks. Unfortunately, I don't think it will shake the faith in the system of any of the libs in my life, despite its clarity. After all, who are you going to believe? The party that is our last bastion against fascism, or your lying eyes?

[–] iie@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

They still think the democrats mean well. Someone who means well wouldn't do this.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!?

No waaaaaayyyyy.....

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Shocking.

i hope they steal Trump's election (perhaps they steal it again). That'd be funny.

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

Jokerfied conspiracy theory: Dems rig it in favor of Trump to get more fundraising, then blame it on Russia.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

One reason that electronic with voter verified paper backups is important. Electronic only can't be trusted. I'm not saying I believe there was definitely chicanery, but the fact that we can't verify there was no chicanery is extremely problematic.

[–] iie@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

Two reasons to believe it:

  1. The evidence is strong. These patterns would be extremely unlikely in an untampered election

  2. The Democrats would do this. This is the part that strains belief for some people, but it shouldn’t. If you look at their policies, rather than their rhetoric, you find a near 1:1 match to the class interests of their corporate donors.

https://pnhp.org/news/gilens-and-page-average-citizens-have-little-impact-on-public-policy/

Gilens and Page: Average citizens have little impact on public policy

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens By Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page Perspectives on Politics, April 9, 2014, forthcoming Fall 2014

[…]

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

Sanders was a milquetoast socdem by hexbear standards but he still presented a real threat to the donor class. A president can be contained, but a president who also promises to be the “organizer-in-chief,” leading grassroots working class campaigns from the Oval Office? That’s a loaded gun.

If they have the means and motive to ensure that doesn’t happen, they’re going to do it.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

Shadow Inc lol