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The former president has always considered himself to be the ultimate disrupter. But this time, the disruption is on the other side.

Through the weekend, there were an awful lot of questions that were going back and forth from people in the president’s tightest circle, and one of the questions that kept being asked was whether Joe Biden was going to endorse Kamala Harris or not. And the question didn’t revolve around whether he wanted to or not, but whether people in her camp thought it would be better for her to fight for it, win it on her own, and not be seen as somebody who was tapped by President Biden and so, in her own way, have a fresh start going into the campaign.

So the timing seems to be about as good as it could have been to end what has just been one of the craziest two or three weeks in American politics in quite some time.

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[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 248 points 5 months ago (3 children)

TFW you get shot and it’s not even the biggest political story of the week.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 130 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I bet he’s livid. Thunder stolen. And he can’t even try to use the attempt to stir up animosity against his opponents, one of his own fired that gun.

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 50 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Hahaha yes he can, the kid was obviously brainwashed by the left. Never assume facts matter to those clowns

[–] thrawn@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This is getting downvoted by people who only read the first sentence, unlucky :<

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[–] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago

Hallmark of a shitty politician unable to seize the moment more than sticking his fist in the air. The second he opened his mouth, any advantage he had went away.

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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 189 points 5 months ago (4 children)

He’s already trying to weasel out of the next debate. He’s scared.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 141 points 5 months ago (28 children)

Can you blame him? Kamala was a District Attorney and an Attorney General. Even a competent opponent who based their arguments on facts would be intimidated.

Trump wouldn’t stand a chance on that stage.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 98 points 5 months ago (3 children)

And if he ducks out hopefully she'll call him a coward. Repeatedly.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 93 points 5 months ago (2 children)

She should start calling him a coward before they start negotiation. He can't stand women talking crap about him. A woman of color, he'd have a canary.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago (3 children)

A canary in the old mind, that's how the saying goes

[–] macaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I thought it was a coronary in the gold mine.

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I hope that Harris (or whoever) goes WAY more on the offensive than Biden did. Honestly I think that's where his age showed the most sharply; he was just too nice, even when he was "Dark Brandon."

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

I hope that Harris (or whoever) goes WAY more on the offensive than Biden did.

That wouldn't be difficult.

[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Getting called a coward by a woman will break his brain beyond what it is now.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

IDK, considering the MAGA crowd consider Trump lies better than facts, because everybody know by now, that facts have a liberal bias.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 52 points 5 months ago (2 children)

the fight is not for maga votes, it is for the undecided morons in the middle.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 34 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The fight is against the couch, idiot undecided voters are basically a coin toss. Getting 80%+ of your supporters to actually vote for you is all you really need.

Nothing was more demoralizing than Biden in the last debate. Trump against someone under 60 could have the same thing happen to him.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

The undecided will be gaslighted too. Are you really sugesting Trump would try to use reason to sway the undecided?
Trump has only one mode, and that's narcissistic pathological liar.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you really sugesting Trump would try to use reason to sway the undecided?

no, i am suggesting that primary goal of democratic candidate is not to go after maga voters.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 months ago

He won't debate her. He's too chicken shit to do it.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 24 points 5 months ago

It will never happen. Trump is such a fucking coward. But his supporters are perfectly fine with this being the first election year without a debate between the candidates...

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 127 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What’s weird is she is relaxing. After all the chaos and bullshit and jagged geriatrics from those two guys, it’s just relaxing to see her.

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Surprised the hell out of me when I realized every time I saw her photo some tension left my shoulders. More so the moment I realized she was running. Weird outside of the context of the jagged geriatrics dance of chaos and decline of the last 8 years, within that context, not so much. I cannot be alone in that sensation. .

Don’t underestimate that impact. It’s a show stopper.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

she's also like young, comparatively, experienced, and knows what she's doing. Which is a nice bump from the previous trump, though biden does also have experience, i'm not sure how much that matters or is even still true anymore.

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[–] vxx@lemmy.world 114 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I enjoy these moments when the bots get disrupted and have no agenda to spread on social media.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 18 points 5 months ago

It's so blissfully quiet!

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 79 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I still find it strange that this is considered "late in the election cycle". We need legislation limiting campaign length to something reasonable.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 33 points 5 months ago (15 children)

Free speech pretty much means you can't stop someone from advertising for themselves or a cause just because it isn't close to election season. I don't disagree with you at all, but this is going to be a constitutional no go, I think.

[–] thegr8goldfish@startrek.website 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Free speech can be limited if you have a good reason. For example, if you don't want people to see how their food is raised, you can just ignore key constitutional freedoms..

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yup. The ag-gag laws seem to be a huge carve-out - if that can be managed, I don't see why we don't start limiting the election cycle, too.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

There is absolutely no reason why we need to run primaries so far in advance. They should all be in May or June. As far as I can tell, the only reason the schedule is like this is because some states want the influence that comes with being earlier in the process. But why should Iowa or New Hampshire always get that?

Presidential Primaries should be held over 4 or 5 consecutive weeks, with a rotating roster of which states vote in which order.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Why not like all in one week? Or one day?

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 50 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Indeed. Bidens age was the only real argument he had. And now he is the ancient on in the race.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh he will find something. She's a woman. He's a misogynistic pig, so it won't be hard.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And I hope she chooses to not lead on a charisma card and instead leans on what she knows best: How to present facts in a concise way. Let her writers make the words, and her coaches help her stand out. I want someone to challenge Trump directly and feel it is the best strategy. Every single stupid little thing he says that includes a kernal of any information should be immediately disputed, disrupted, and dissolved.

It won't make any MAGA come to our side - well a few might though I'm not holding my breath, it will increase not so much the trust in Harris, but our willingness to stand behind her word. Trust will then increase with time and the accuracy of her statements. There is a certain level of leadership in that.

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[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago (10 children)

They need this energy to make people want to vote; not just to vote apathetically or to perhaps not bother because they don't feel like it makes a difference, but to get out and do it with purpose, energised to tell others to do it. The VP pick is going to be a crucial part of this, with some actual policies/promises to back it up. The Republicans have shown fuck all, so here's hoping for a progressive campaign which speaks to people.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

There isn't much Trump can attack her on that he doesn't support himself when it comes to Kamala's negatives. So she is actually a great choice. She also has gotten voters out of the loop of despair, even if there isn't much info about her plans besides continuing Biden's agenda.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Good. That fucker needs to be more scared more often.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I laughed a lot when the international news on TV around here claimed that "in a move that took politicians and campaign mangers by surprise, Biden left the race"... But the more I look around, the more it looks like people were surprised by it.

How come?

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Because it hasn't happened a lot. If you are the incumbent, you are running for a second term unless you are beat or dead. Leaving for whatever reasons is very rare.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

People saying that Biden should have dropped out two weeks ago have never, in their entire life, had to make a life-changing decision. Whatever the result, I personally applaud his ability to put aside his pride and his ego for the sake of a cause larger than himself.

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What's funny is that this whole thing really started once Biden badly underperformed at the debate.

If Trump had just done his usual cowardly thing and bailed on the debate, we wouldn't have seen that humiliating performance by Biden, and he'd probably still be on the ticket.

Once again, Trump's pride has taken him to a place he didn't want to go.

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