How about charge Ohios senator with treason
this post was submitted on 22 Jul 2024
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For what?
Probably referring to the recent calls for a civil war.
Oh the state senator!
For treason
I agree that she should, though I kind of wonder how realistic it is that she will before her official nomination. Last thing we need is AIPAC getting triggered at such a precarious moment and trying to turn the table over.
I don't know everything about her views on Israel, other than she's signaled she's uncomfortable with Biden's zealotry in the past and has been very quiet. But she will probably need to address the issue before the election, she needs to be percieved as distinct enough from Biden to get back the people in places like Deerborn, MI and such. A major reason Biden abandoned his run was because the Uncommitted vote just wasn't going away.
I'm personally willing to accept Biden stepping down as a win for the party and a blow to zionists, to me it's enough of a referendum on his zionist policies for me to stomach a compromise on Harris. But I'm not arab american and I don't have family in Palestine, so I would still understand people who won't accept anything but stark condemnation by Harris.
Yeah, my expectation for Harris is an unspecific call for peace and support for a two state solution. Biden is out of the mainstream in the party, she just needs to not be that.
Last thing we need is AIPAC getting triggered at such a precarious moment
Yeah, the last thing we need is others making their own decisions based on truth.
Firstly, AIPAC has no relationship to the truth, they're only there to disrupt the truth.
And no one said she shouldn't be honest about her positions, but it's still politics and we can all pretty much guess where she stands on Israel already; not as far left as anyone wants her to be, but not as right-wing as Biden/Trump. That's the best deal we're getting this cycle as far as I'm concerned.
But again, I'm not going to tell anyone who feels they can't vote for Harris if she's not strong enough in her condemnation of Israel that they need to vote for her. I just spent the last 6 months being told that I need to accept Biden's genocidal policies and it's pointless to threaten the party with a non-vote, I would never turn around and do that to other voters because it's bullshit.
Firstly, AIPAC has no relationship to the truth, they're only there to disrupt the truth.
I understand. Because you disagree with their message whatever goes.
And no one said she shouldn't be honest about her positions
You just recommended she engage in propaganda to thwart the propagandists.
I didn't read the rest because the core of what you're saying is rotten.
I am not big on Harris but if she mirrors Biden on everything except Israel I will be extremely happy with her.
I wouldn't say extremely happy, I think he's too fixated on corporate welfare at the expense of progressive policy, but it'd be good enough as a stop gap.
She definitely needs to be more aggressive on climate change mitigation though, as far as I'm concerned it would be hard for a president to be too radical in that regard. Biden should've been pushing hard for the Green New Deal. Putting aside all other political battles against fascism, we are in deep trouble with the climate.
Of course there are a lot of things I would like her to do as well. I’m simply stating she is a lukewarm candidate but if all I got was a Biden replica that took a stand against genocide I would be happy with her presidency.
I think there is a real issue with Americans that want the moon and if they don’t get it they throw a tantrum.
I would love for her to lower the national debt, fix climate change, stop our dependence on oil, fix the housing shortage. I could keep going. My point is I know even accomplishing 1 of those would be extremely difficult so I would accept Biden 2.0.
I think there is a real issue with Americans that want the moon and if they don’t get it they throw a tantrum.
Wanting someone who treats climate change with the seriousness and urgency it deserves is not asking for the moon. Wanting a functioning healthcare system is not asking for the moon. Wanting bodily autonomy is not asking for the moon. Wanting your politicians to aggressively pursue a policy that was already implemented and proven to halve child poverty is not asking for the moon.
The narrative needs to stop that progressives are demanding "perfect". Basic center-left policy should not categorized as excess. That narrative is what brought us to this crisis we're in, all the compromises on the most basic left wing positions. The "asking too much" narrative needs to end, people need to keep demanding and making themselves a thorn in the sides of neoliberals every time they try to drag the overton window to the right.
I'm voting for Harris, that's my compromise as a progressive, I'm not going to stop criticizing the democratic right-wing or stop demanding better policy though, that's not part of the deal.
Stop making this an election issue. It's not. You're just helping Trump
Having your tax dollar fund an active genocide is an issue for many of us
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Either side she chooses will lose her votes. I don't know that anyone will accept any sort of fence riding, either.
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i truly think the twitter "left" thinks hamas will just pack up and go home or israel will just drop everything if the us stops weapon sales
i truly think the twitter "left" thinks the US should stop supplying weapons towards genocide.
Of course not. But I'd be a lot more comfortable with our president not actively supporting it. I don't use Twitter, I'm just an American jew who is deeply ashamed of Israel's behavior.
She already had my vote... If she trully stops the US from supporting a Genocide by sending money and weapons to Israel, then she has my full support.
No presidential candidate is going to do more than lip service until the situation there changes drastically. From a political standpoint, this is only an issue at all for the under 30 crowd. Even then, it's almost exclusively an issue for the demographics that are going to vote democrat or just stay home, most are smart enough to realize that the other side would be worse. Even if the youth turnout somehow doubled, this probably still wouldn't make up for how deeply deeply unpopular the Palestinian government is with every other demographic. Anyone who is old enough to remember when the current organization in charge first got going is looking at the younger generations like they are insane.
She's much more likely to just be more generically silent and passive on the issue now that her exposure is higher. I would bet she actually dials it back even more than she did on her last speech.
Sky urged to change color to Green.
I'm very curious how Harris will act now that she doesn't need to secure the nomination. Here's hoping it unleashes her better judgement to call things out.
The copycat former VP's VP being expected not to also copycat.
Unless she actually became president, I doubt her stance would change unfortunately
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