Dear person volunteering your time and effort for what you thought was a worthy endeavor. We're trying to commodify your work so we can make a killing so don't fuck it up for us.
this post was submitted on 21 Jun 2023
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Dear Spez,
I've learned that Reddit wants to profit from my content. I've therefore decided to monetize my content going forward. I have very reasonable rates of $50 USD per post. $75 USD for long posts.
I'm willing to discuss this with Reddit but these rates are nonnegotiable.
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Reddit: "Subreddits are for the community of reddit users who rely on them."
Community of reddit users: "We think the sub should stay private, and if you force it open, we'll spam sexy John Oliver and porn."
Reddit: "wait no not like that"
This message is mind-blowingly tone deaf.
It's not tone deaf so much as it's gaslighting. Their intention isn't to get compliance or work through any of the valid concerns - their intention seems to be to cover themselves and give plausible deniability for potential investors.
They're sending this to mods as if they are the audience, which we know is not the case since anything the mods say is not actually considered.
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Moderating is volunteer work. Spez is a narcissist. Why volunteer for a narcissist?
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Subreddits belong to the community of users...
Spez, read that again. Slower this time.
It's not even true though. Subreddits belong to the user who creates it, they become the top mod and delegate to other mods. If users don't like how a subreddit is moderated, they are free to make their own subreddit - they aren't supposed to take over someone else's subreddit.
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A few days ago I didn't have a single reason to leave reddit. Yet, with so many reasons now, here I am, and I look forward to lemmy and kbin.
Ditto. I wasn't happy but I thought they'd find some sort of compromise since being reddit, the replacement for Digg 2.0, they'd surely understand they can't just be complete twats about it. Then they started denigrating/banning their own mods.... Wtf?
There are still a few niche subs I'll have to keep using reddit for for now, but for everything else I'm happy to move on. I'll also be cancelling my reddit monthly subscription, obviously.
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Fuck em. This is my first post on Lemmy and I'm happy it exists.
I love the condescension here - your protest is "taking a break from moderating"
It's corporate rhetoric.
They define the reality they want their audience (press, investors) to see: No protests, no demands, no conflict with Reddit, just moderators not taking their job seriously while Reddit is taking its communities seriously and reaching out in good faith and with empathy.
Then they go all method actor and assume this reality, and start writing.
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Subreddits belong to the community of users…
So you're providing tools to allow democratic control of subreddits, right?
Right?
If you set a few AutoModerator rules, you can make everyone a moderator.
Pure chaos. It's brilliant.
I mean, one of the subreddits just gave all subscribers to it mod status. I think it was political humor. Something like 1 million people are now mods for that subreddit.
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Fuck Spez, Lemmy is doing alright. (I like community ran solutions better anyway)
"we respect the protests, but we will remove everyone that will protest"
the part "decide that don't want to be a mod anymore" is so infuriating and unrespectful. Like they don't know what's goin on...
Actually, as a mod, that's the strongest action you could take... stop moderating for free for reddit. "Jun 12, 2023 When they're all functioning normally, Reddit boasts nearly 140,000 active subreddits at any given time" according to https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/how-many-subreddits-are-on-reddit/ Now imagine 1 in 10 subreddits were abandoned by their mods. That's 14,000 subreddits without moderation. Let Spez take over the role of the Landed Gentry for 14,000 subreddits. If he thinks he's not making money now, how much will he have to pay to take care of all those subreddits?
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Fuck em. God its nice to be able to say "fuck em" without having to worry about elon or spez getting butthurt and banning my account.
They are slowly taking away the platforms of free speech. First they came for the self hosted websites; then they changed the search engine functions; then they came for twitter; now they are at Reddit. Make no mistake this is not just about an IPO. This is about controlling how the public communicates. Discourse is discouraged.
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lol, "subreddits belong to the community of users..." clearly doesn't belong to the users. That's the whole problem
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"Subreddits belong to the community of users". Followed by "a path forward to make sure your subreddit is available... which is it?? lol
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Can’t wait to see Reddit crash and burn
I just deleted three of my reddit accounts. I am done. As an artist, I have more work to do on my primary current account. I feel I should delete my art from reddit so that they can not make money from my art and music.
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It’s hilarious to me that they are telling subs that they can’t just switch the NSFW button on like that, after they recently made the vape communities go NSFW against their will.
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"subreddits belong to the community of users who come to the for support" good way to justify kicking a mod with a passion for such a community and forcing people to post only the things you want.
Because if you force people to have fun they'll be happy, of course.
Mhm I just got info that a certain Poo the bear wants to talk to you about strongarming communities. But don't worry, his methods definitely work.
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The only way to win is to not play (being a mod at reddit)
Yeah this type of stuff brought me Lemmy.
It's interesting how during numerous examples of users trying to fight mod teams over changing direction of the sub, new rules, unwanted new mods etc., and getting admins involved, the answer was ALWAYS the same "Subs are owned by their creators/mods. If you don't like it you can always create a new one".
Suddenly they belong to communieties? Communities that in numerous examples voted by themselves to stay closed? How absolutely full of shit they are...
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"Hey mod! Go back working for free so we can make money or we'll take action you peasant. You own nothing. Kneel and obey."
Steve Hoffman probably
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this is so desperate. they write this stuff to make up an excuse for take away its creators and in the name of the "users". it's just so they can keep up their advertisement revenue im agry
Roses are red, violets are blue. Open your sub, or we'll boot you too.
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Fuck Reddit
Im a reddit mod with a sub over 20 million - today they removed our top mod, and then sent us a message saying that 'we requested a re-ordering'. It's total bullshit.
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Reddit preaches democracy but suddenly when this same democracy votes to focus on John Oliver content, they threaten to take control.
From "redit is 4 evry1 guise lets be demcratic" to no, not like that. Fuck it I'm taking this shit "
What a disaster man
Remember the old saying: if a company is giving you something for free, you're not the customer, you're the product.
Subreddits are Reddit's product. Reddit makes money by selling subreddits to advertisers. If moderators damage that product, Reddit takes action. End of story.
Alright. They can hire some employees to moderate all of Reddit then.
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It's pretty obvious that reddit needs these communities. But these communities don't need Reddit, clearly.
Love how this is a full 180° from the "Create your own subreddit…for ___" messaging that appeared in the sidebar for more than a decade.
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