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Who are these guys? (chuangcn.org)
submitted 3 months ago by NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net
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Saw this posted online. It's uhm, very interesting. Also uses the word "tankie".

Found info of a New York based ngo from the site, but anyone know what this is about?

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[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

we must understand that there is no meaningful difference between Chinese dictatorship capitalism and liberal democratic capitalism.

I think this is just your run of the mill ultra-leftist rant piece. I don't buy the comparison between Xinjiang and Palestine, the historical context is not at all comparable and there are no mentions of other Islamic minority groups in China (which is always a red flag). Neither Washington nor Beijing/Moscow is an endorsement of Washington.

Also the ETIM flag also gives it away. It's a runaway militia from Afghanistan that is backed by the CIA.

[–] NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

Ok thank you. I saw this circulated elsewhere on the Fedi and some libs seems to be taking this as "good analysis".

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

chuang are ultras who makes passable critiques of china as a capitalist country but hold the line on western interference projects. What do they expect to happen if china allows xinjiang to become its own country in the world with cia and ngo? think ussr is fairly illustrative

[–] NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Thank you. It's pretty bold of this piece to declare this to be the view of "The Chinese Left". It smells sus from the first mention of internationalism, wanted to get a feel if this kind of stuff is somehow popular or not.

[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What's an "ultra?"

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago

Ultra leftists, who seek realization of leftist ideals immediately, and following absence of that judge countries extremely harshly. Like to circlejerk around value form presence and state capitalism.

While I’m sympathetic to their critique of production, the countries themselves don’t claim to have achieved socialism (neither user nor china nor cuba have claimed to be socialist economy countries), and thus it’s kinda shitting on wrong grounds. they are frequently promoted by cia, as “see socialists don’t think it’s socialist”. I get why it happens and there is no other avenue, but it’s just unwise at this point after ussr fall