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[–] RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 127 points 3 months ago (19 children)

So if we perceive a fetus as a person, self defense laws and stand your ground laws should apply right?

Like, if the threat is persistent and reasonably considered to be causing bodily harm, then reasonable escalating force, up to lethal, should be legal correct? Intent and innocence of the perps intentions does not absolve them in court of law... So if we consider the fetus a person and they are causing harm without stopping when prompted the mother should be legally afforded to defend herself, no?

[–] paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 months ago

This is the truth. Not even a full grown person, not even your just-born child, no one can compel you to give your blood to save their life much less to keep them alive inside your own body for nine months.

If they think a fetus has the same right to life as any person, they are free to help it survive using their own resources, just get it the fuck out of my body first.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That is a creative usage of the law. I like it

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[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 98 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

So I can drive in the HOV lane, I can't be mass arrested, and attempted murder against me is considered attempted genocide?

My tax return is going to be enormous due to how many dependants I have. I'll have enough money to get TF out of this crazy place.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What they'd really hate is not being able to jail pregnant women because the fetus is innocent

[–] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Just wait until Texas rules that the fetus was an accomplice, and gives a pregnant woman a double sentence.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Pregnant women kills an abusive husband and Texas tries the mother and fetus for murder...

It's less funny when you think about how they probably wouldn't blink

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

All the college kids get to start legally drinking nine months earlier! And legal weed too!

[–] ZhaoYadang@lemmy.world 91 points 3 months ago (2 children)

“Fetal personhood” was always the next shoe to drop after they overturned Roe. I was a little surprised the court didn’t go straight there in Dodd.

All that shit the court said about the states being able to decide about abortion? Lies. These right-wing nutcases are out to ban abortion everywhere. And they will, through fetal personhood. We can’t pass a law to kill a PERSON without due process, can we?

It’ll happen in the next five years unless we reform the court or impeach the six frauds. Based on our current tendency to go from bad to worse, I doubt either of those will happen.

Emigrate now if you can.

[–] Trubble@startrek.website 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How? Where? None of us have money saved anymore. Groceries and rent have made sure we can't save any money for anything.

...Unless, there is an adopt an American family movement I haven't heard of? Can we start one?!

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm Sally Struthers, and I'm here to talk to you about the reality of life here in the nation of America. This is a photo of Timmy. Timmy is a 28 year old middle-manager at a large box store. With just $400 a week Timmy can finally afford the new master cylinder in his 2006 Camry and get a new used iPhone 8.

Please give today.

[–] Trubble@startrek.website 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sad violin music plays and swells, pan over wide eyed, hopeful Americans with light luggage packed, waiting patiently for their new family, an arm waves tentatively, friendly but scared...

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Not the only next step. They are also looking to ban contraceptives. IUDs will be up first because some believe life begins at fertilization.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How the fuck would they even do that. Stopping fertilization isn't killing a 'person' as defined by them either.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Moralizing laws aren't new at all. Look at how many "dry" counties we have, how many places close liquor stores on Sunday, the restrictions on strip clubs, the history of sodomy laws... the Evangelicals have been trying to take over for a long time and this is what happens whej we tolerate even an ounce of religious rule.

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[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 89 points 3 months ago (20 children)

Being a person doesn't give them the right to someone else's body to survive.

Unless we're legalizing forced blood, liver, marrow, and kidney donation?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

It would be morbidly funny for a woman to sue a fetus for sexual assault for penetrating them without consent.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 59 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So if fetuses are declared people will Republicans start ignoring them like they do children?

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 17 points 3 months ago

The answer to that question, is yes. Republicans will immediately will stop giving a shit. Which is impressive as they barely care about fetuses now expect for a way to control women.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 56 points 3 months ago (2 children)

So they count as dependents on taxes, require child support, and allow the mother to drive in the carpool lane?

[–] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

I was thinking fetal life insurance.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 54 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If a fetus kills you, do they get tried as a minor?

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Manslaughter, they don't have intent.

[–] phorq@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is the plot of Baby Driver, right?

Edit: I'm stupid, I was thinking of Fetus Driver

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[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 53 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Officer: Are you pregnant ma'am?

Ma'am: No there's a homeless person who is living rent free inside my womb against my will.

Officer: Stand back maam!

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[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I have about a million pre-people in this tissue. Can I get a tax break?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Every time you masturbate, ~~God kills a kitten~~ you go to prison for mass murder.

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 11 points 3 months ago

I miss the internet of the era of Domo-kun memes.

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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fucking mega-Hitler over here asking for a donation.

How do you live with yourself for killing so many millions of people of young age?

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Wait til you hear about the Cronus wannabes swallowing them all whole! Despicable.

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But are fetuses corporations? If a small business incubator fails, is it an abortion?

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[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Careful of what you wish for. I look forward to a future court case that establishes once and for all the definition of a person. Although, with the current Supreme Court, I do admit some hesitation.

I mean, if you want to establish rights for a fetus, what do you do when that fetus belongs to a “Mexican”? What do you do if a pregnant American moves to another country without the permission of the fetus? Not to say these are legit examples, but the courts will fill with bizarre cases like this.

More interestingly, what do you do when science stands up in court and establishes a fact that opposes your belief? Your beliefs have gotten you this far. It’s very plausible that you will lose some of the ground you’ve gained.

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[–] DLSantini@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Pretty soon they'll be trying to put me in prison for mass-murder every time I jerk off.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (11 children)

It makes me wonder, why are the religious obsess with abortion when the US allows divorce, even though the Bible forbids it? Why not campaign on striking down divorce as well?

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Would not surprise me if these same people then try to legalize pedophilia if they win just so they can do everything in their power to legally fuck a fetus. I imagine that's their ultimate goal in life.

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[–] MrTomS@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Come census time there will be pregnancy tests?

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