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The event was combative from the start as Trump and three moderators from the National Association of Black Journalists sparred throughout.

Vice President Kamala Harris’ race took center stage in a combative back-and-forth exchange with former President Donald Trump during a panel discussion Wednesday at a gathering of Black journalists in Chicago. 

“I did not know she was Black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn Black and now wants to be known as Black,” Trump said.

“I respect either one," he added, "but she obviously doesn't, because she was Indian all the way, and then all of a sudden, she made a turn and she went she became Black. ... Somebody should look into that too.”

It was in response to a question about the appropriateness of some Republicans saying Harris is a “DEI hire,” a term referring to workplace policies promoting "diversity, equity and inclusion." It has increasingly been used by some on the right to discredit people of colorwith opposing political views.

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[–] braindefragger@lemmy.world 126 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Dare I say that it’s starting to feel like Trumps campaign is unraveling. A bit.

[–] ChadCMulligan@lemm.ee 105 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I don’t know, man, I honestly think this is about as raveled as his campaign has ever been.

[–] braindefragger@lemmy.world 53 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It kinda feels like both. We are seeing his campaign machine at full speed, but for some reason it feels a bit broken. I guess we’ll see where everything is in a month or so.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 63 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

a dam has been broken... the dam that was joe bidens terrible idea at running. you had millions of people resolved to picking the older guy by default because fascism. they werent voting for president, they were voting against trump.

harris has enabled a metric fuck-tonne of people to stand up and get energized for a capable human being.

at the same time trumps campaign has been squarely focused on intimidating/making fun of biden. they are hopelessly lost in re-grouping n an attempt to attack harris. lets hope it stays discombobulated

AND then theres the Weird thing, which is sticking for some reason. awesome!

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Love the "weird" thing. People don't make decisions using logic, almost always emotions are the key. Every salesman and politician knows this, though liberals seem to have missed the memo.

Democrats are finally hitting Trump voters where it hurts, right in the emotions, with not much of a way to spin it. Calling Trump a fascist rolls right off their back. "Of course libs would say that!" But "weird" resonates in some way I can't put my finger on.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

its their own level! most conservatives couldnt define fascism if their life depended on it.

but weird... weird is a term they use and understand. as you point out harris is finally speaking to them on their own simplistic, emotional level.

theres also the stronger rhetoric biden would never use like threatening to showing up to a debate alone or telling him to 'say it to my face'.

[–] commandar@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

It also helps that their attempts to redirect back mostly serve to highlight their weird preoccupations.

Things are happening like a former Trump speechwriter posting "Emmett Till was weird" on Twitter because they can't comprehend just how unhinged and generally weird saying something like that is to a normal person.

Or they think they're being clever flipping the script and ranting about "boys saying they're girls is weird." "Why do you spend so much time obsessing over what children have in their pants? That's really weird."

It all puts them in a bind. If they try to defend what they're saying as normal, it's very clear that it isn't. If they try to deflect with what they think is weird, it just shows how detached they are from normal reality. It's a surprisingly effective line of attack that largely neutralizes their normal gish galloping.

[–] confusedpuppy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago

I've been enjoying the use or weird lately. I've had some strong personal opinions on language lately. A lot of it comes with a huge increase of new words that sort of seem abstract from it's meaning.

I think with how rapid information can spread to large groups of people, it's just too fast for my mind to keep up. All of a sudden I feel like I'm in a war with words and who knows which landmine of a word will get you in trouble. It causes me even more anxiety when someone comes at you with manipulative intentions in order to control the direction of the discussion.

I think weird works because it's an almost basic word. It's simple and descriptive. It's not a newer, more specific word that requires a deeper understanding of a broader topic. It's understood by more people. People with varying degrees of language knowledge including people whose native language is not English. It's easier for more people to understand.

It's a lot easier to understand someone is weird compared to someone being a fascist.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Honestly. I see so many people saying Trump and republicans are falling apart and they're terrified, but I'm like, this is the exact same rhetoric we've been getting from them for 8 years.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 3 months ago

i wouldnt say falling apart... i would say 'stumbling'. i do think the stumble is worse now than hes ever experienced.

  • attendance is down at all his rallies.
  • the negative press is increasing for a now convicted felon running against a prosecutor can only get sweeter.
  • he picked a vp that is a revolting couch-fucker compared to the chaste previous incarnation.
  • hes about to have to pay 450 milllion dollars.
  • he is now saying the fascist dictator plans out loud.

thats just off the top of my head.

... and then theres the other side.. harris is rallying people in volumes we havent seen since obama

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[–] bagelberger@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Even his campaign thinks so. It was so bad they pulled him offstage before the final question about Project 2025 could be asked.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 96 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Weird creepy old man completely fails to read the room and says stupid shit. More news at 10

[–] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Didn’t you mean to say Donald Trump is a weird creepy old man?

I’d hate to have search indexers fail to connect the dots in your very true statement that Donald Trump is a weird creepy old man.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Donald Trump is in fact weird, creepy, and old all at the same time.

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 8 points 3 months ago

And gender fluid.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

Whoa, cut him some slack. Reading does not come easily to him.

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

mods, can we tag this as [WEIRD] for those of us at work?

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago

Old white conservative confused by person being multi-racial, and GOP egotists can't stand being called "weird", this and more news at 11.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Kamala Harris was “Indian all the way, and then all of a sudden, she made a turn and she went, she became a Black person.”

-- Donald Trump

Source: PolitiFact

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

I can't believe I actually have to refute this shit.

-- PolitiFact employee, probably

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[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Someone should look into that? What is it with this guy making weird requests against his opponents. He is so used to giving direction this way like a gangster. Removes any personal responcibility from his statements.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's a gish gallop with a flourish.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I do hope that someone has the foresight to ask him when he turned white.

[–] yemmly@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Calling him white denigrates the orange race. They deserve to be seen.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I don't know, but I am guessing it was when he saw the shit Winston saw.

So that would have been in 1984.

[–] papertowels@lemmy.one 8 points 3 months ago

He probably asked the question because he regularly turns orange.

[–] ChadCMulligan@lemm.ee 24 points 3 months ago

So this event went exactly as well as anyone with any common sense at all would assume it would go? 🤣🤣🤷‍♂️

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Deciding to turn black ? What is wrong with this man ?

[–] ilovededyoupiggy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] crawancon@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

have you seen his tiny little hands?

[–] credo@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What is wrong with this man ?

Are you requesting a list?

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[–] superminerJG@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

Looks like Trump is finally coming out as a racist! How brave! /s

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Interesting that he puts it this way. Surely he knows that once you go Black, you don't go back?

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fucking weirdo. Who says that.

[–] HottieAutie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago (17 children)

Narcissists. This is a textbook smear campaign.

The smear campaign is born out of a combination of factors, including the need to be right and have his or her “truth” become the prevailing script, retaining status and standing (making sure that his or her inner hidden shame doesn’t become public), and maintaining control of his or her image. The woman or man high in narcissistic traits curates her or his public persona very carefully; appearing successful, accomplished, and together is all-important.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/tech-support/201906/dealing-the-narcissists-smear-campaign

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, much like John Howard Griffin or that dude in the 80s movie Soul Man, Kamala Harris turned black.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think we as a society have collectively repressed the memory of that movie

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It was in heavy rotation on one of the movie channels for a while when I was a kid (my dad was a movie historian, so we had HBO, Cinemax and Showtime so he could tape movies to show to class) and also Rae Dawn Chong is in it and I was horny and like 12.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

also Rae Dawn Chong is in it and I was horny and like 12.

Sounds like our ages are within a few years of each other. She was not the only reason I liked Beat Street, but it didn't hurt.

FWIW, I rewatched Beat Street a few months ago, with a little bit of fear that I'd find one of my old favorites was actually unwatchable drek.

Nope. I know it wasn't an oscar winner, and maybe I'm one of like 15 people who think this, but that movie still slaps, and I appreciated some of the commentary far more deeply with a few more decades behind me.

Also Rae Dawn Chong.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I wanted them to say something along the lines of "Mr. President, that's racist! The words you are speaking are racist!"

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

Once you turn black...

[–] Omega_Man@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What a fucking disaster. He acts like someone who has this election on lock.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

If the race of a political candidate is actually a thing, it must be conservative America.

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