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SpaceX’s Starship launches at the company’s Starbase facility near Boca Chica, Texas, have allegedly been contaminating local bodies of water with mercury for years. The news arrives in an exclusive CNBCreport on August 12, which cites internal documents and communications between local Texas regulators and the Environmental Protection Agency.

SpaceX’s fourth Starship test launch in June was its most successful so far—but the world’s largest and most powerful rocket ever built continues to wreak havoc on nearby Texas communities, wildlife, and ecosystems. But after repeated admonishments, reviews, and ignored requests, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) have had enough.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 174 points 3 months ago (14 children)

I would be exactly 0% shocked to learn this was true.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 75 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd be shocked if Abbott didn't try to give them a Texas Medal of Freedom award for doing this.

[–] HoustonHenry@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And for removing water breaks for workers when it's really hot out

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[–] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

And with Chevron ruling they wont face any repercussions!

Isnt crony capitalism great!?!?!?!

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 162 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (30 children)

Ok so, going to the CNBC article and my own memory, as charitably summarized as I can:

Boca Chica is originally built with certain parameters and specifications, before Musk announced they would be doing all of the testing for Starship at that location.

Then, SpaceX just started doing so, and then asked for permission from relevant regulatory bodies ... later.

At this point, Common Sense Skeptic on YouTube did a video or two specifically going into the details of exactly how bonkers it is to do huge scale rocket testing basically half a kilometer away from protected nature zones.

Then, one of the Starship tests blew apart huge parts of the launch pad after Elon had said that would not be a problem.

Then, Elon folded on that notion, and built the water deluge system and modified the launching configuration, without getting any permits beforehand from relevant regulatory agencies.

So the run off from all that water has been going into a protected natural environment for... about a year now.

The EPA began investigating this in August of 2023, and informed SpaceX they were in violation in March of 2024.

Literally the day after SpaceX was formally notified their water deluge system was in violation, SpaceX did its third Starship test, again using the water deluge system.

Now, cue SpaceX lying all over the place, saying that they've been told they were allowed to do this the whole time, and that there were no detectable levels of mercury in the discharge, even though their own permit that they belatedly filed indicates the detectable level of mercury in the discharge were about 50x the safe level.

SpaceX said in its response on X that there were “no detectable levels of mercury” found in its samples. But SpaceX wrote in its permit application that its mercury concentration at one outfall location was 113 micrograms per liter. Water quality criteria in the state calls for levels no higher than 2.1 micrograms per liter for acute aquatic toxicity and much lower levels for human health.

To conclude:

“Further wastewater discharges could trigger more investigations and criminal charges for the company or any of the people involved in authorizing the launches,” he said.

  • Eric Roesch, Environmental Engineer

Basically, the environmental aspects of this have been a known and ongoing shit show for over a year, but have only been covered by a few YouTube channels and blogs, vastly drowned out by the cacophony of SpaceX fans.

I highly suggest every one check out Common Sense Skeptic on YouTube, they have been calling bullshit on SpaceX for a while now.

In particular, one interesting vid they did shows that a former NASA administrator bullshitted her own request for project process to get it awarded to SpaceX, using blatant double standards.

I say former NASA admin because quite quickly after rubber stamping a huge amount of taxpayer money toward Starship development, she now works for SpaceX.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

Good thing the supreme Court expects companies to not do this shit

[–] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Thank you very much for the synopsis. I am disgusted and unsurprised.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Don't worry, with the Chevron ruling out of the way, this can be thrown out in court and promptly swept under the rug. 💪🇺🇲🦅

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m very curious as to who this NASA admin is…no name comes to mind?

[–] villainy@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] frezik@midwest.social 67 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

When sending probes to Mars or other rocky bodies, NASA is very careful about biological contamination. They don't want to seed the planet with some extremophile, or contaminate their own samples and mistakenly think it's native life.

When SpaceX wants to go to Mars and is also doing this shit, why should we trust them to take the same care?

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 61 points 3 months ago (6 children)

TCEQ has no power to enforce anything in Texas without the Governor and AG's cooperation. Mark my words. As long as Texas is run by conservatives, absolutely nothing at all will be done to protect the environment in Texas. Absolutely nothing. Everything related to the environment is performative in Texas, not substantive.

Conservatives delight in pollution. They equate pollution with freedom. Conservatives in Texas intentionally choose vehicles with the worst exhaust, they litter, they dump chemicals directly down drains, into sewers and into waterways, they "roll coal", they joyfully embrace chemical plants and they mock absolutely anyone who has any problem with dirty air or water. If you can't handle chemical-laden air, you are considered weak or "librul". Clean water is for pussies.

There's a reason the number one cancer research center in the U.S. is based in Houston. The air is famously polluted by nearby refineries that do not report what they release into the air to the public. They are permitted to "self-report" that they are not violating any rules, but there is no actual check performed by TCEQ without a great deal of advance notice and preparation.

Texas is a conservative haven of airborne and waterborne carcinogens. Musk knew that when he moved here. That's the reason polluters move here. Because conservatives fucking love pollution.

When I hear of a conservative in Texas getting a brutal form of cancer, I just smile and nod because I presume they've achieved their goal. It's the only silver lining in Texas, other than the silver-laden clouds.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Agreed. I’ve read an article hear and there over the past couple years about this and how a reckoning is coming. Space-X leaving California in favor of Texas is too big an advertisement for their brand. They won’t do anything to upset the Musky child.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 50 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And you just know Texas lawmakers were fine with this because the right people got paid off to look the other way by Musk.

The dangers of mercury poisoning are well understood. We're talking about insanity, paralysis and death. Nobody can pull a, "we had no idea" excuse. Google "Minimata Japan disaster" if you want to know what happens when a corporation poisons people with mercury for nearly 40 years.

[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (7 children)

This is how they make more Republicans.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago (7 children)

What would they even be using mercury for?

[–] cannibalkitteh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Dumping into the water. It is an overall expense, and not related to the business interests. They just needed some evil villain stuff going on because Elon really wants to meet Captain Planet.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Elon probably picked up old timey hat making during one of his ketamine binges or something.

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[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Elon's daily dose. It takes a lot to get on his level.

Just kidding, but it seems like something to do with the fuel/exhaust.

I've read multiple articles and the most I've gotten is that their first launch didn't have the cleaner fuel that future launches did. I am not sure how that would cause repeated incidents... perhaps it's from metal parts in the rockets? 🤔 I could have missed something as I was reading but hopefully someone else will know the answer.

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pretty annoying the article doesn't even explain.

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[–] Dramaking37@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Texas government probably requires you poison people to operate in the State.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Nothing wrong with this after Trump wins, guts the EPA, and staffs it full of loyal cronies. This is one of the big goals for Project 2025.

Because regulations are bad, right?

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (16 children)

SpaceX has replied to the CNBC report

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1823080774012481862

For those not wanting to click an X link

CNBC’s story on Starship’s launch operations in South Texas is factually inaccurate.

Starship’s water-cooled flame deflector system is critical equipment for SpaceX’s launch operations. It ensures flight safety and protects the launch site and surrounding area.

Also known as the deluge system, it applies clean, potable (drinking) water to the engine exhaust during static fire tests and launches to absorb the heat and vibration from the rocket engines firing. Similar equipment has long been used at launch sites across the United States – such as Kennedy Space Center and Cape Canaveral Space Force Stations in Florida, and Vandenberg Space Force Base in California – and across the globe.

SpaceX worked with the Texas Commission of Environmental Quality (TCEQ) throughout the build and test of the water deluge system at Starbase to identify a permit approach. TCEQ personnel were onsite at Starbase to observe the initial tests of the system in July 2023, and TCEQ’s website shows that SpaceX is covered by the Texas Multi-Sector General Permit.

When the EPA issued their Administrative Order in March 2024, it was done without an understanding of basic facts of the deluge system’s operation or acknowledgement that we were operating under the Texas Multi-Sector General Permit.

After we explained our operation to the EPA, they revised their position and allowed us to continue operating, but required us to obtain an Individual Permit from TCEQ, which will also allow us to expand deluge operations to the second pad. We’ve been diligently working on the permit with TCEQ, which was submitted on July 1st, 2024. TCEQ is expected to issue the draft Individual Permit and Agreed Compliance Order this week.

Throughout our ongoing coordination with both TCEQ and the EPA, we have explicitly asked if operation of the deluge system needed to stop and we were informed that operations could continue.

TCEQ and the EPA have allowed continued operations because the deluge system has always complied with common conditions set by an Individual Permit, and causes no harm to the environment. Specifically:

  • We only use potable (drinking) water in the system’s operation. At no time during the operation of the deluge system is the potable water used in an industrial process, nor is the water exposed to industrial processes before or during operation of the system.
  • The launch pad area is power-washed prior to activating the deluge system, with the power-washed water collected and hauled off.
  • The vast majority of the water used in each operation is vaporized by the rocket’s engines.
  • We send samples of the soil, air, and water around the pad to an independent, accredited laboratory after every use of the deluge system, which have consistently shown negligible traces of any contaminants. Importantly, while CNBC's story claims there are “very large exceedances of the mercury” as part of the wastewater discharged at the site, all samples to-date have in fact shown either no detectable levels of mercury whatsoever or found in very few cases levels significantly below the limit the EPA maintains for drinking water.
  • Retention ponds capture excess water and are specially lined to prevent any mixing with local groundwater. Any water captured in these ponds, including water from rainfall events, is pumped out and hauled off.
  • Finally, some water does leave the area of the pad, mostly from water released prior to ignition and after engine shutdown or launch. To give you an idea of how much: a single use of the deluge system results in potable water equivalent to a rainfall of 0.004 inches across the area outside the pad which currently averages around 27 inches of rain per year.

With Starship, we’re revolutionizing humanity’s ability to access space with a fully reusable rocket that plays an integral role in multiple national priorities, including returning humans to the surface of the Moon. SpaceX and its thousands of employees work tirelessly to ensure the United States remains the world’s leader in space, and we remain committed to working with our local and federal partners to be good stewards of the environment.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Any and all claims being made by SpaceX should be verified by an objective third party. We should never simply take a company at their word, but that is especially true of a company that has Elon Musk, a man known to disseminate falsehoods as its Chair, CEO, and CTO.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The cornerstone of all annual business ethics training so many drones (like me) have to endure every year: If you’re known for being dishonest, people will stop believing you. According to the training, they’ll also stop doing business with you, so maybe it’s a bit out of date.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

According to the training, they’ll also stop doing business with you, so maybe it’s a bit out of date.

It is baffling. I, for one, would never buy any product or service from a company associated with Musk, but many other people are not so discerning.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Water is hauled off... where? Beyond the environment?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

It's OK. There's a creek down the road that doesn't have any fish left. It goes right out to the gulf, so it's all good.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Probably to a proper treatment facility like all other potentially bad water goes.

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Don’t just blame Elon/ SpaSex, blame Texas republicans for allowing this “California Elite” to poison Texas water

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Maybe people will finally stop praising SpaceX?

[–] Atrichum@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

SpaceX fans have known about this for a long time now, and they just don't care. They've shouted down anyone who has pointed it out for well over a year now

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (46 children)

Edit: and it looks like this entire story may have been based on a typo.

I mean, it depends how egregious / serious this violation is and how crucial it is to the rest of their overall successes.

Elon sucks, but for the same amount of money, NASA can either launch 150 tons of science missions 1 per year on SLS, or they can launch 170 tons of science missions every 2 weeks on Starship.

Quite frankly I don't understand why they've gotten the level of hate they've gotten (and why some people seem so intent on finding ways to hate them), other than their association with their dumbass ceo.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

SpaceX is cool, Elon is the world’s most colossal asshole. Some people won’t separate the two because they rightfully don’t want to enable him.

Shotwell could run the whole thing herself, I wish the government would step in and cut Musk out of it entirely.

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[–] johker216@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'd rather NASA be funded well enough to not need private, profit-driven, corporations dictating how we explore space. That and Musk's stench sticks to all his companies, for good or bad.

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[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Y'all actually need to read the article before commenting:

One of the major initial concerns—the wastewater’s mercury content—stems from what experts believe may be egregious typos within SpaceX’s records. Lab reports indicate polluted waters contained 0.113 μg/L of mercury, while subsequent summaries appear to misplace the decimal point to show 113 μg/L. If the former measurement is accurate, then Starship’s wastewater contains roughly 1/17th the legal mercury limit.

SpaceX has done some shady shit regarding their environmental practices, but this claim about mercury just ain't it. Some of the comments further down go into more detail.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

That says if the former figure is accurate... But if it's the latter? Then it's 100 times more than 1/17th which would mean it's waaay more than the legal limit... So it depends in which is the typo.

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[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

One of the many reasons he moved to Texas. This is what you get when your state is so “business friendly”. All the complaining about California and the related regulations, but this is what those regulations are supposed to prevent (yes I know there are still plenty of examples of companies polluting in CA).

The Chevron ruling is absolutely a blatant effort to neuter all of these government oversight departments to allow businesses to accelerate their “line go up” polluting efforts.

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[–] TTimo@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Why is there mercury in the deluge water? Where is it coming from? It's not 'regular water' somehow?

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

So? Having Drinking Water that DOESNT make you sick is NOT Pro Life!

[–] CafecitoHippo@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

You're telling me the part that doesn't care about feeding kids, universal health care, clean water, and clean air but is pro gun, pro war, and pro forced birth isn't Pro Life? SHOCKED!

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[–] HowMany@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 months ago

Abbott doesn't care. Paxton doesn't give a shit as he counts his bribe money.

And strangely enough, republicans want to do away with the EPA. Weird.

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 months ago

I wish some good old boys would force musk and his lackeys to drink and swim in that water, it's the right thing to do and rase them much higher in my eyes

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

It's what they voted for.

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Can we revoke his government contracts now?

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