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I really wanted to post this on !traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net but I'm not trans myself and I didn't want to take up their space.

Basically, the devs of Lemmy are looking to make upvotes public to everyone. Right now, I believe voter identities are known to server admins and mods.

I don't have a strong opinion on this myself, either for or against, as I write this comment, but I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing, frankly as a cishet dude.

But also... I've kinda lost trust in Nutomic making decisions about the software that won't make things worse for trans people since his comments on the Olympics were made public. Dessalines has (so far) at least tolerated Nutomic's transphobia despite whatever prior rhetoric. Frankly, I am suspicious that trans people don't matter to the Lemmy dev team...to be charitable...so I'd really like to hear your thoughts.

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[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

I have zero skin in the game, so from a personal perspective I don't care either way. Everybody is going to find out that I upvote shitposts and people who respond to me—that's going to be the extent of my consequences if votes go public.

Philosophically I think transparency is better than obfuscation. Especially since a dedicated user can figure the info out right now, anyway.

[–] Finger@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

no more half measures walter

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

My thoughts? My opinion don’t matter for shit but frankly idgaf either way. I dont care who sees what.

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Looks like the response is split between "no" and "why aren't votes anonymous to begin with"

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Afaict that's just how activitypub works, it's not designed to make anything anonymous. Votes are public to anything federates with the instance already, you just can't access them through the lemmy ui. But they're not anonymized in the activity stream.

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The proposal is instead of federating each vote, each instance sends an anonomized vote count which is the total of their users. That and tokenizing users in vote objects. That and the piefed method: https://lemm.ee/post/40074176

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait are those separate proposals? Removing individual votes vs tokenizing users in individual votes

The relying on instances to compile and anonomize votes is one proposal that would require a change in standards. The easy solution is giving every user their own "voting profile" which is a random username and handles all voting. This is what piefed uses and the admins are unable to see user votes, but can deanonomize users with enough effort.

[–] I_CAST_BEAM_OF_BATS_I_CAST_BOLT_OF_BATS@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The cognitive dissonance between the responses to this recommendation and the same people lambasting Twitter for removing this is wild

[–] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i-think-that I think that removing public likes from X was a good idea.

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[–] Antiwork@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Voting is bad. One thing we should #take from stormfront is old Reddit just got this feature recently where when you scroll past a post it turns down the opacity a bit. Really helps to see what you've read and what is new

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Guys if you want them to add public votes please make a GitHub account (I know I know) and give a thumbs up on the issue or a comment.

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[–] gramxi@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

I'd like it to be an opt-in thing so my crushes don't notice me upbearing all their posts

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

make votes only visible on your own comments. I might elaborate further but likely wont.

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