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Linux Scores A Surprising Gaming Victory Against Windows 11 (www.forbes.com)

submitted 3 months ago by pnutzh4x0r@lemmy.ndlug.org to c/linux_gaming@lemmy.ml

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I recently spent some time with the Framework 13 laptop, evaluating it with the new Intel Core Ultra 7 processor and the AMD Ryzen 7 7480U. It felt like the perfect opportunity to test how a handful of games ran on Windows 11 and Fedora 40. I was genuinely surprised by the results!

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The Framework 13 is perfectly capable of gaming even with its integrated graphics, provided you’re willing to compromise by lowering the resolution and quality presets for more demanding games. (It’s also a testament to how far AMD’s APUs have come in the past decade.)

Summary of results:

Shadow of the Tomb Raider: Linux wins
Total War: Warhammer III: Windows wins
Cyberpunk 2077: Linux wins
Forza Horizon 5: Windows wins

These results are an interesting slice of the Linux vs Windows gaming picture, but certainly not representative of the entire landscape. A few shorts years ago, however, I never would have dreamed I’d be writing an article where even two games on Linux are outperforming their Windows counterparts.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 151 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

sometimes i still can't believe i'm running every game i want on linux. like its still surprising and surreal to me.

thanks to all the contributors that made it possible for us to ditch microsoft.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I felt the same way, after dual booting linux and windows for a while, I stopped booting into windows so decided to just wipe both drives and do a raid0 install of linux. Finally I got to messing with games expecting to have to tweak settings and everything but nope it just booted up. even better running on raid0 now I dont even see load screens with games like starfield.

[–] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

Dual booted for the longest time, until sometime last year. Windows partition is still there, but it's been long enough that I've forgotten the password. 😳

[–] Lemonparty@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Hey genuine question what does everyone use for office apps these days? I'm extremely over being charged a yearly fee to use word and excel

[–] Eranziel@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Libre Office

[–] soulsource@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 months ago

I have been a user since the 90s. Back then it was still called StarOffice.

Its feature set differs from that of MS Office, and its performance could be (a lot!) better, but I strongly prefer the LibreOffice user interface, and the features that matter to me (like CSV import) are way better in LibreOffice. However, LibreOffice does not have all the features of MS Office, and some are notably worse (for instance auto-fill in spreadsheets, where Excel is way better at guessing the next value).

Sadly it's not only a matter of preference, because file exchange between different office suites is not flawless. MS Office and LibreOffice don't agree 100% on how to load each other's files...

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 9 points 3 months ago

I've been trying OnlyOffice recently - seems pretty nice so far.

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[–] cron@feddit.org 65 points 3 months ago (2 children)

When I started using linux 15 years ago, my friend recommended to keep a windows partition for gaming. At least for me, I have deleted windows a few years ago and I'm not looking back.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If you play DRMed AAA stuff, that's still true unfornately (if you can't do VM with PCIe passthrough).

Personally I just opt to not play these games. The market dicides in the end.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Some of the "anticheat" systems straight up decide not to work on VMs even with PCIE passthrough et. al. For example, I cannot run Elden Ring with its trash DRM because it says it cannot run under VM. I have PCIE passthrough, and the CPU id also passes through. Only the chipset reports anything VM, yet the "anticheat" decides not to run.

Fuck DRM. It has done nothing except push me to pirate more when I LITERALLY AM buying the games. Fuck those greedy actual morons (corporations who deploy DRM, not FromSoft specifically).

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 3 months ago

Elden Ring does run quite nicely on Linux via Proton, though.

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[–] Damage@feddit.it 15 points 3 months ago

My gaming PC was the last one I had running Windows. I couldn't take it anymore and this year I switched that one too.

Now if only I could run (my perfectly legal copy of) SOLIDWORKS decently, it'd be great.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 47 points 3 months ago (4 children)

It's just easier to get old windows games running on Linux.

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[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 46 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Suprised that forbes is reporting about linux

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 36 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's their community blog. This specific person has been writing there about Linux gaming for a long time now.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago

ah alright, thank you

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think it says a lot more about how much recent versions of Windows have bogged down the whole gaming experience.

Microsoft seems to have forgotten that people want an operating system that works, not something bloated with bullshit like telemetry, advertisements, tracking cookies and artificial intelligence. The only reason they even have a market lead in the desktop space is due to marketing and monopolistic practices.

[–] fernlike3923@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I wonder how Windows would perform against Linux with all bloatware removed and telemetry disabled.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

would there even be an OS left?

[–] KomfortablesKissen@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's not an OS, that's three spywares in a trenchcoat!

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 8 points 3 months ago

Oh, they know what people want in an OS, the thing is that they don't care. People who know better can complain all they want, normies and most corpos will get windows anyway

[–] zer0bitz@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

Im so glad I fully switched to Linux. I was amazed how good the gaming performance have come nowadays. I tried out Ubuntu back in 2007 and have tried some other distros too during the years, but always went back to Windows because of games. Not anymore.

[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago (9 children)

What I'm still missing unfortunately is how seemingly all modern online games require stupid kernel level anti-cheats that don't work on Linux.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 33 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Yea, but honestly that's not a Linux problem imo. Invasive anti-cheat has been a deal breaker for me since its inception. It started as "I don't want to deal with your shitty software always running in the background eating up my CPU cycles, need maximum performance baby" and then quickly became "I'm not giving your shitty software kernal access to my entire machine, I don't trust you".

It's made so much worse when you realize it doesnt even actually stop cheaters...

[–] lidstah@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I must admit that my evil self impatiently waits for a crowdstrike-like event, but with a kernel-level anti-cheat instead. On the more serious side, it baffles me how much the vast majority of people don't care about privacy or security problematics. They literally don't give a f**k.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 3 months ago

They probably don't even know it's happening.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You’re right it’s not a Linux problem but it is a problem more to the point it’s our problem and anyone who would want to switch

Cold hard fact is that people just do not care what causes the problem and people do not care if something is %1 worse or %1000 worse they will always pick the one slightly better that’s why monopoly’s are an inherent part of nature eventually competition is unviable.

The only hope is that either Linux crosses the critical threshold of being slightly better than Windows or windows gets so invasive and counterintuitive that even normies can’t use it for productivity

I use Linux all the time I have three physical servers running probably 20 or 30 VM’s and containers but even I am hesitant to switch my gaming Pc because even though I can play everything I want now what if tomorrow something comes out I really want to play but it’s locked down to windows?

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[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If Microsoft makes good on their threats to cut off all kernel-level access to third party applications, that might help with that

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 months ago

I'm more surprised by the ease of use than the performance, honestly.

[–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh, the article is written by Jason Evanghelo. Of course, he’s a giant Linux shill working at Forbes :D

Still great to see such press

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[–] GoOnASteamTrain@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

Aw, I can't get cyberpunk to run on my mint install - it gets the logos and stops responding.

Some people read about performance, sometimes I'm just motivated knowing someone on the internet did get a game running in the first instance! :)

I will say though, Baldurs Gate 3 works perfectly, as does anything else I throw at it! :)

[–] Mikelius@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Cyberpunk worked out of the box for me, but senua 2 absolutely refuses to start no matter what kind of voodoo I try ("fatal error"). I seem to always be on the opposite spectrum of protondb mint users I swear.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

It wouldn't run for me until I got the Steam version (in Tumbleweed). Works great now.

It would have been better if it had worked with just one copy though. At least I got it on sale.

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[–] devilish666@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes i feel weird and impressed with Microsoft that allow third party to create windows emulation system that beat original windows in many ways

[–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

It is mostly a translation layer -- WINE is Not an Emulator (WINE). The reason Microsoft 'allows' this is because they have no choice. WINE hasn't broken any laws or violated any copyright or trademarks. Same goes for Proton with DXVK of course.

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[–] netvor@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Fun fact: With those 4 games it looks like a tie, but weighed by Steam scores, Linux wins. (Warhammer has like 3/5).

(Disclaimer: I have never played any of those 4 games and don't plan to in a forseeable future. I also realize full well how ridiculously insignificant a sample of 4 is.)

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