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[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Don't misconstrue antizionism (and idk anti genocide?) as antisemitism. The two are different. There's also lot of messy alt-left garbage on here that's likely astroturfed/in bad faith, you have to ignore those as well.

[-] davad@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

Which isn't to say there can't be leftist antisemites. But it does seem like a lot of anti genocide people are unjustly treated as antisemitic.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, im sure they exist. But the "ree antisemitism!!1" thing has been the most common reflexive defense I've seen any time the topic comes up, where any valid criticism of "hey maybe Israel doesn't need to be flattening the entirety of Gaza and starving an entire race to death" is dismissed as "Oh you hate jews". The US government, colleges, and cities trying to shut down protests have also branded it as such, when it's really not.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I think it's more the shocking number of people comfortable protesting alongside Hamas flags and people chanting "globalize the intifada" that makes Jewish people a little uncomfortable.

[-] Atin@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Left wing politics has had a long history of antisemitism.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago

Anti zionism in 2024 is literally calling for the dismantlement of the Israeli state. I'm sorry, I'm not going to pretend like this a realistic solution to the current conflict, especially when there is an absolutely massive gap between that, and condemning Israeli treatment of Palestinians and condemning Israeli settlements. There is literally no reason to evoke this language if those things are your goals.

[-] YoFrodo@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Jesse what are you talking about?

[-] exu@feditown.com 16 points 2 months ago

Why did you write left on the right and right on the left?

[-] db2@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Hebrew is right to left 🧌

[-] Hegar@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago

The fact that you posted that incredibly disingenuous jpost piece from foxman yesterday makes me very skeptical of your ability to identify what is and is not antisemitism.

[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

Hot take: being Jewish is bad just like being Muslim is bad just like being Christian is bad.

Religion is poison, Abrahamic faiths particularly so. Free yourself.

[-] halvar@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

At least that's consistent.

[-] anti_antidote@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hot take: every individual is in worship of something, whether that be a higher power, abstract moral ideals, money, vices, or even self. All worshipers have the capacity for extremism, even If you think you worship nothing. Take care of yourself and your fellow man.

[-] Zwiebel@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago

Religion is different from the others you mentioned, because it has institutions of people telling their followers what to do

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago

Jews are great. Zionists can have mutual annihilation with Hamas.

Are you a Jew or a Zionist?

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago

And to add onto this, Hamas is like a few hundred or a few dozen people. The rest of Palestine seems cool, they can stay and chill with us.

[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Hamas is definitely quite a bit larger of an organization than that.

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago

Maybe their funders like Iranian state officials or the Muslim Brotherhood splinter groups are larger than that, but the gaza strip is like 99.9% not Hamas is the point I'm making.

[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

I don’t think you would be able to back that up if you tried, 100 guys wouldn’t have been able to pull off the attack Hamas performed on Israel.

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah obviously they had more people in the gaza strip before this war began. Tens of thousands of deaths later, how many are probably left? Nobody knows.

Worst case scenario is those tens of thousands were almost entirely civilians, like 99%, and there are still thousands of fighters, but if that were the case then I imagine Israeli Losses would be higher than 1,478 Israelis.

[-] Atin@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Thanks for letting us know you have absolutely no knowledge of the middle east.

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 points 2 months ago

What are you going to do about it? Disproportionately bomb me out of existence? Get fucked.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

By "antisemitism from left wingers" do you mean criticism of Israel Nazi government?

[-] socsa@piefed.social 4 points 2 months ago

Say what you will, at least when right wingers rant about Zionism they don't pretend it's anything other than calling for violence against Israel.

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